# What is still missing from windows builds ... - Thread: https://externals.io/message/49407 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/49407 - Started by Lester Caine on 2010-08-12T06:59:43+00:00 - Messages: 14 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #49407 — Lester Caine — 2010-08-12T06:59:43+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49407 > Currently I am still working my way through the holes in PHP5.3.x which is why > PHP5.2 is STILL the last stable release as far as my ( windows ) customer sites > are concerned. SO sensible debate on the next step forward IS more important and What's wrong with 5.3 on windows (separate topic please :) A number of extensions were dropped because of the rules applied to building them. In my case php_interbase is missing, and since Firebird is the only database I use it's something of a problem. So we simply build it and supply it from the Firebird site. But other extensions are also still lagging behind in conversion to being PHP5.3 compatible. For an off the shelf windows PHP5 build, 5.2.14 is the only one that includes these libraries off the shelf and until 5.3 does I can't point my own customers there. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php --- ## #49410 — Stas Malyshev — 2010-08-12T07:41:47+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49410 · In reply to: #49407 Hi! > A number of extensions were dropped because of the rules applied to building > them. In my case php_interbase is missing, and since Firebird is the only > database I use it's something of a problem. So we simply build it and supply it > from the Firebird site. But other extensions are also still lagging behind in > conversion to being PHP5.3 compatible. Wait, you mean PHP binary builds miss ext/interbase? But you can always build it yourself (or have somebody do it for you ;), it's not incompatibility in PHP 5.3. Or you mean something is missing in the code? > For an off the shelf windows PHP5 build, 5.2.14 is the only one that includes > these libraries off the shelf and until 5.3 does I can't point my own customers > there. You mean you can't point them to download binary builds from windows.php.net? That doesn't make 5.3 unstable though... -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227 --- ## #49414 — Tomas Kuliavas — 2010-08-12T08:01:29+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49414 · In reply to: #49407 2010.08.12 09:59 Lester Caine rašė: > > […] > is why > > […] > customer sites > > […] > important and > > What's wrong with 5.3 on windows (separate topic please :) Last time I've checked gettext extension was broken. http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=49349. Extension works only in one locale. Maybe things changed in latest builds, but bug tracker entry is still open. Based on things I've seen on process explorer, extension tries to read files (locale aliases) that are available only on build machine. -- Tomas --- ## #49413 — Ferenc Kovacs — 2010-08-12T08:04:04+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49413 · In reply to: #49410 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > A number of extensions were dropped because of the rules applied to > > […] > > Wait, you mean PHP binary builds miss ext/interbase? And some more. Pierre mentioned that the firebird extension will be bundled with 5.3.3 but AFAIK it didn't happened. There are some info about the missing extensions here: http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=46971 > But you can always build it yourself (or have somebody do it for you ;), > it's not incompatibility in PHP 5.3. Or you mean something is missing in the > code? > > Yeah, but building php or the extensions is not the easiest thing to do, on linux you just type apt-get install php5-extension or pecl install extension, but for windows: - pecl install doesn't work on windows (obviously) - http://pecl4win.php.net/ -> The pecl4win build box is temporarily out of service. // Temporary my ass. :/ - setting up a (free) build environment for php on windows is PITA. at least that was it, when I did last time. there are multiple how-to, but almost all of them is outdated. thanks again to Pierre ( http://www.php.net/~pierre/ ) for manually building some extensions for windows and AFAIK there is some problem with building the extension for the VC6 or VC9 builds: "About GMP, it won't make it with VC6, move to VC9 if you need it." "snmp support has been restored in 5.3.3RC1 (VC9 only)" and sybase_ct is VC6 only, so if you need both sybase_ct AND (enchant OR gmp OR snmp) then you are screwed. > > For an off the shelf windows PHP5 build, 5.2.14 is the only one that > > […] > > You mean you can't point them to download binary builds from > windows.php.net? That doesn't make 5.3 unstable though... > see above. Tyrael --- ## #49417 — Lester Caine — 2010-08-12T08:51:22+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49417 · In reply to: #49413 Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > - setting up a (free) build environment for php on windows is PITA. at > least that was it, when I did last time. > there are multiple how-to, but almost all of them is outdated. > thanks again to Pierre ( http://www.php.net/~pierre/ > ) for manually building some extensions > for windows > > and AFAIK there is some problem with building the extension for the VC6 > or VC9 builds: I have a dedicated machine with it all on simply because it destroys my Borland development environment if I put the free M$ stuff any where near it :( But I'm building 64bit-VC9 stuff to go with the 64bit Apache builds - which is yet another spanner. I have to rely on others for the 32bit builds ... which is why a simple complete download would be nice. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php --- ## #49419 — Pierre Joye — 2010-08-12T09:21:58+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49419 · In reply to: #49414 fixed in 5.3.3, see the bug report too. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Tomas Kuliavas wrote: > 2010.08.12 09:59 Lester Caine rašė: > > […] > > Last time I've checked gettext extension was broken. > http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=49349. Extension works only in one locale. > Maybe things changed in latest builds, but bug tracker entry is still > open. > > Based on things I've seen on process explorer, extension tries to read > files (locale aliases) that are available only on build machine. > > -- > Tomas > > > > -- > > > > -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #49420 — Pierre Joye — 2010-08-12T09:27:38+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49420 · In reply to: #49413 hi, > And some more. > Pierre mentioned that the firebird extension will be bundled with 5.3.3 but > AFAIK it didn't happened. > There are some info about the missing extensions here: > http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=46971 Many things are supposed to be done at a given time and then failed. Shit happens as one likes to say. Anyway, it does not make 5.3.3 less stable or bad, and given the amount of complains about firebird (except Lester, who does it endlessly since 5.3.0), it is not a big deal. > Yeah, but building php or the extensions is not the easiest thing to do, on > linux you just type apt-get install php5-extension or pecl install > extension, but for windows: > - pecl install doesn't work on windows (obviously) > - http://pecl4win.php.net/ -> The pecl4win build box is temporarily out of > service. // Temporary my ass. :/ > - setting up a (free) build environment for php on windows is PITA. at least > that was it, when I did last time. > there are multiple how-to, but almost all of them is outdated. I think you really need two things: - Read the answers I gave you already - Read the doc, build PHP or PHP extensions on Windows is very easy. To get the right libs or build non compatible lib is not, but that's not something we can fix easily. See http://wiki.php.net/internals/windows/stepbystepbuild > thanks again to Pierre ( http://www.php.net/~pierre/ ) for manually building > some extensions for windows > > and AFAIK there is some problem with building the extension for the VC6 or > VC9 builds: > > "About GMP, it won't make it with VC6, move to VC9 if you need it." > "snmp support has been restored in 5.3.3RC1 (VC9 only)" Because the lib does not support VC6. Same for Enchant for example, or other libs. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #49421 — Lester Caine — 2010-08-12T09:45:07+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49421 · In reply to: #49410 Stas Malyshev wrote: > That doesn't make 5.3 unstable though... Unstable no .. and even php_interbase is perfectly stable on it! Unusable no .. A pain because you have to add stuff from various sites which were once all bundled on php.net ... most definitely yes A download of PHP5.2.x simply works out of the box on windows ... currently some of us have to jump through hoops to create a downloadable windows build of 5.3 that our customers can use. The problem is quite definitely because of the quagmire of library versions that exist on windows and as yet my own customers are only just talking about loosing W2k so many of the newer versions are not necessary. But we DO need a clean source of the 'new' format windows builds and that is something Pierre obviously does not have the time to provide, hence the proliferation of builds from other sites rather than direct from windows.php.net -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php --- ## #49422 — Pierre Joye — 2010-08-12T09:51:43+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49422 · In reply to: #49421 hi, > A download of PHP5.2.x simply works out of the box on windows ... currently > some of us have to jump through hoops to create a downloadable windows build > of 5.3 that our customers can use. > > The problem is quite definitely because of the quagmire of library versions > that exist on windows and as yet my own customers are only just talking > about loosing W2k so many of the newer versions are not necessary. But we DO > need a clean source of the 'new' format windows builds and that is something > Pierre obviously does not have the time to provide, hence the proliferation > of builds from other sites rather than direct from windows.php.net Your apps were running using 5.2.x before 5.3.x was out. What does it make 5.3 a requirement now? If you can't explain that to your customers, then you are out of luck. Windows 2000 is not supported anymore by Microsoft, why should we support it? And it was a dead cow already since years. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #49425 — Lester Caine — 2010-08-12T10:11:46+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49425 · In reply to: #49422 Pierre Joye wrote: > > […] > Your apps were running using 5.2.x before 5.3.x was out. What does it > make 5.3 a requirement now? If you can't explain that to your > customers, then you are out of luck. Windows 2000 is not supported > anymore by Microsoft, why should we support it? And it was a dead cow > already since years. And the relevance of that outburst? The number of people who complain about problems with the projects I am involved with because THEY are running 5.3 means that we have to cater for it ... end of story. I was TRYING to be constructive since I do understand YOUR problems even if I do not accept your rules for solving them. The problem is simply 'windows' and I could quite happily simply tell customers we do not support it since there is no problem with Linux servers, but they have millions of pounds worth of investment in windows and will not change ... so support has to cater for that situation. Making the Linux machines stay on 5.2 is even more of a problem ... if the distro decides they only support 5.3 :( So simply sticking with 5.2 while possible ... is not practical longer term ... especially if 5.3 is the LTS version of choice. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php --- ## #49426 — Ferenc Kovacs — 2010-08-12T14:01:39+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49426 · In reply to: #49420 > hi, > > > > > > > […] > but > > […] > > Many things are supposed to be done at a given time and then failed. > Shit happens as one likes to say. Anyway, it does not make 5.3.3 less > stable or bad, and given the amount of complains about firebird > (except Lester, who does it endlessly since 5.3.0), it is not a big > deal. > > I meant no offense, are there any blocker about this issue, or we can tell sure that firebird will be in php 5.3.4? I'm just curious because more than one people told me, that firebird builds just fine for 5.3, so I couln't get it, why takes it this long to get properly bundled (and couldn't found this one one http://php.net/~pierre/). > > […] > on > > […] > of > > […] > least > > […] > > I think you really need two things: > > - Read the answers I gave you already > What did I miss? > - Read the doc, build PHP or PHP extensions on Windows is very easy. > To get the right libs or build non compatible lib is not, but that's > not something we can fix easily. > See http://wiki.php.net/internals/windows/stepbystepbuild I will/have to set up my windows buildbox again, but as far as I can remember last time when I did (probably a year ago) I run into more than one problem about dependencies (bison, flex), and there was some discussion on the mailing list about that there is more than one tutorial in the docs/wiki, but they are mostly outdated. maybe I'm just unlucky or because I'm using the Express version, dunno. > > > > […] > building > > […] > or > > […] > > > […] > > Because the lib does not support VC6. Same for Enchant for example, or > other libs. > > I did mentioned that, I mean that there are other libs that aren't supported in VC6, VC9. the question is, that what can we do about it. I don't like the idea, that we have major differences in the bundled extensions between the VC6 and VC9 versions. the apache guys could really start using the VC9... Tyrael --- ## #49427 — Lester Caine — 2010-08-12T16:45:41+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49427 · In reply to: #49426 Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > I will/have to set up my windows buildbox again, but as far as I can > remember last time when I did (probably a year ago) I run into more than > one problem about dependencies (bison, flex), and there was some > discussion on the mailing list about that there is more than one > tutorial in the docs/wiki, but they are mostly outdated. > maybe I'm just unlucky or because I'm using the Express version, dunno. Ferenc ... I'm running the express version. I certainly don't plan to pay for another windows development environment ;) I had a couple of false starts, but I did finally get this working nicely. I though I had put up a crib sheet on the pointers, but ... Oh there it is http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/index.php?page=Compiling+PHP+on+Windows+so+we+can+use+with+Firebird -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php --- ## #49459 — steve — 2010-08-18T23:36:37+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49459 · In reply to: #49427 Perhaps since http://pecl4win.php.net/ has been down for several years, it is time to just remove all the references to it. --- ## #49460 — Ferenc Kovacs — 2010-08-19T15:40:18+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/49407#49460 · In reply to: #49459 > Perhaps since http://pecl4win.php.net/ has been down for several > years, it is time to just remove all the references to it. > > -- > > > > what's missing to ressurect pecl4win? If its possible, I would like to get that site back up and running. Tyrael