# PHP 5.4 branch and trunk - Thread: https://externals.io/message/47434 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/47434 - Started by Nate Abele on 2010-03-19T18:31:31+00:00 - Messages: 7 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #47434 — Nate Abele — 2010-03-19T18:31:31+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/47434#47434 > The point is that, for instance, PHP 5.3 was not a trivial upgrade for coders or hosters. Sure it's mostly compatible, and you certainly can write code that works from 5.0->5.3 just fine, and if not then you're probably doing something wrong... but that's most of the PHP code out there right now. :-) And naturally you can't test your code against 5.3 until it's out. Larry, to mitigate this issue, please refer to the exhaustive list of instructions here: http://twitter.com/nateabele/status/10733251789 PLEASE NOTE: This also applies to user-land applications with test suites (and here I'm risking showing my ignorance by blindly assuming Drupal does, in fact, have a test suite). Please see http://snaps.php.net/ and http://qa.php.net/ for more information. Thanks, - Nate --- ## #47435 — larry@garfieldtech.com — 2010-03-19T18:50:04+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/47434#47435 · In reply to: #47434 > > […] > > Larry, to mitigate this issue, please refer to the exhaustive list of instructions here: > > http://twitter.com/nateabele/status/10733251789 > > PLEASE NOTE: This also applies to user-land applications with test suites (and here I'm risking showing my ignorance by blindly assuming Drupal does, in fact, have a test suite). > > Please see http://snaps.php.net/ and http://qa.php.net/ for more information. > > Thanks, > - Nate Drupal 7 has an extensive test suite, using our own testing framework rather than phpt. (Let's not get into a debate about why that's the case; it's neither here nor there nor would I even be on just one side of it. ) But that's for a high-end project. It doesn't really help the code slingers that happen to have code they threw together that is holding back a hosting company who don't even know what "make" is. I am not saying people shouldn't be testing code. I'm saying the barrier to entry to testing common code found in the wild on a new release of PHP is higher than you seem to be assuming. --Larry Garfield --- ## #47440 — pasthelod@gmail.com — 2010-03-20T03:58:17+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/47434#47440 · In reply to: #47434 > > […] > > Larry, to mitigate this issue, please refer to the exhaustive list of instructions here: > > http://twitter.com/nateabele/status/10733251789 > > PLEASE NOTE: This also applies to user-land applications with test suites (and here I'm risking showing my ignorance by blindly assuming Drupal does, in fact, have a test suite). > > Please see http://snaps.php.net/ and http://qa.php.net/ for more information. > > Thanks, > - Nate > > Most actively developed apps out there are targeting very recent PHP versions and generally are aware of changes, (especially when it comes to backward incompatibility) and try to emulate features for older versions. (Like `get_called_class()`.) http://qa.drupal.org/ Also, any competent hosting provider allows customers to choose PHP version. (DreamHost for example allow it on a per (sub)domain basis.) -- Pas --- ## #47441 — pasthelod@gmail.com — 2010-03-20T03:58:59+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/47434#47441 · In reply to: #47435 > > > […] > > Drupal 7 has an extensive test suite, using our own testing framework > rather than phpt. (Let's not get into a debate about why that's the > case; it's neither here nor there nor would I even be on just one side > of it. ) > > But that's for a high-end project. It doesn't really help the code > slingers that happen to have code they threw together that is holding > back a hosting company who don't even know what "make" is. > > I am not saying people shouldn't be testing code. I'm saying the barrier > to entry to testing common code found in the wild on a new release of > PHP is higher than you seem to be assuming. > > --Larry Garfield > I think this has something to do with a large part of PHP developers living in a Windows world, where aren't any good test suites (let alone make). PHPUnit is wonderful; installing it is not exactly that enjoyable. Particularly nasty part is getting a working PEAR system on Windows. (Just think of the BAT/CMD scripts :| ) -- Pas --- ## #47476 — Ferenc Kovacs — 2010-03-23T12:05:06+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/47434#47476 · In reply to: #47441 > > > > […] > I think this has something to do with a large part of PHP developers living > in a Windows world, where aren't any good test suites (let alone make). > > PHPUnit is wonderful; installing it is not exactly that enjoyable. > Particularly nasty part is getting a working PEAR system on Windows. (Just > think of the BAT/CMD scripts :| ) > > -- > Pas > > > -- > > > > It seems that the "Implement David's Circular Garbage collection patch" was not merged into 5.3, I think it should be a good feature for 5.4 Could you check this old old list, maybe there are other nice left-out patches/ideas to pick up: http://news.php.net/php.internals/32330 Tyrael --- ## #47477 — Derick Rethans — 2010-03-23T13:18:33+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/47434#47477 · In reply to: #47476 > It seems that the > "Implement David's Circular Garbage collection patch" was not merged into > 5.3, I think it should be a good feature for 5.4 Uh, yes it was. It's most definitely in 5.3. Derick -- http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: http://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug --- ## #47478 — Ferenc Kovacs — 2010-03-23T14:25:42+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/47434#47478 · In reply to: #47477 sorry, my bad. Tyrael > > > > […] > > Uh, yes it was. It's most definitely in 5.3. > > Derick > > -- > http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org > Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: http://xdebug.org/donate.php > twitter: @derickr and @xdebug