# Re[2]: Design of the Zend Engine's Instruction Set - Thread: https://externals.io/message/45294 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/45294 - Started by Lothar Scholz on 2009-08-17T05:40:54+00:00 - Messages: 6 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #45294 — Lothar Scholz — 2009-08-17T05:40:54+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/45294#45294 Hello Stanislav, Monday, August 17, 2009, 9:46:19 AM, you wrote: SM> Hi! > > […] SM> So, you came to PHP developers list to call people names and whine about SM> how the thing mostly done by volunteers and used by millions sucks? If they are doing bad - yes i do. I have to say i give a fuck about volunteers - most of them should go to hell because most of them are worse to projects and they should/would go better without them and with a strict core team. If you base a project only on volunteers its just digital environment pollution - and you should be punished for putting it out. If your company is not able to finance a solid - even pretty small team - of a skilled persons who work on the core it's a huge problem for PHP. Well i'm not a fan of all this free open source as it shows that it is a total enemy against progress in the IT and slows down development enourmously (all the success is just overhyping even the singlest possible step forward for a project - like the 5.3 release after so many years). Sure you have a magnitude more solutions but almost all of them are nothing which is competitive. And the best place were you can see all the bad effects accumulating is in the tool/language sector. -- Best regards, Lothar Scholz mailto:scholz@scriptolutions.com --- ## #45295 — Ronald Chmara — 2009-08-17T06:24:41+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/45294#45295 · In reply to: #45294 On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Lothar Scholz wrote: > If they are doing bad - yes i do. I have to say i give a fuck about > volunteers - most of them should go to hell because most of them are > worse to projects and they should/would go better without them and > with a strict core team. If you base a project only on volunteers its > just digital environment pollution - and you should be punished for > putting it out. Congratulations on destroying your career. *nix was built by volunteers. email was built by volunteers. gopherspace was built by volunteers. The "web" (http sites, which really took off) was built by volunteers. ..and you have just given the finger to everybody who built it. Good luck! --- ## #45296 — Pierre Joye — 2009-08-17T07:58:32+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/45294#45296 · In reply to: #45294 > Hello Stanislav, > > Monday, August 17, 2009, 9:46:19 AM, you wrote: > > SM> Hi! > > > […] > > SM> So, you came to PHP developers list to call people names and whine about > SM> how the thing mostly done by volunteers and used by millions sucks? > > If they are doing bad - yes i do. I have to say i give a fuck about > volunteers - most of them should go to hell because most of them are > worse to projects and they should/would go better without them and > with a strict core team. If you base a project only on volunteers its > just digital environment pollution - and you should be punished for > putting it out. I would suggest to fix your language too. You may also read about open source software developments, how it works, where it came from, etc. It could help you to do not pollute our list with pointless (and respectless) mails. Thanks. Cheers, -- Pierre http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #45297 — Alain Williams — 2009-08-17T08:28:07+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/45294#45297 · In reply to: #45294 > Hello Stanislav, > > Monday, August 17, 2009, 9:46:19 AM, you wrote: > > SM> Hi! > > > […] Language like that is really going to get your comments listened to -- not! > SM> So, you came to PHP developers list to call people names and whine about > SM> how the thing mostly done by volunteers and used by millions sucks? > > If they are doing bad - yes i do. I have to say i give a fuck about > volunteers - most of them should go to hell because most of them are > worse to projects and they should/would go better without them and > with a strict core team. If you base a project only on volunteers its > just digital environment pollution - and you should be punished for > putting it out. > > If your company is not able to finance a solid - even pretty small team > - of a skilled persons who work on the core it's a huge problem for PHP. If you don't like it you can: a) either walk away from PHP & go to use Java/.Net/... b) try to fix the problems. 1) work with the existing PHP team, fix what you see as issues 2) fork the project, attract a bunch of good developers on the basis of the strength of your ideas and your charisma Yes: PHP has got problems, but it does seem to have much more that is right than is wrong. PHP documentation is good when compared to many FLOSS projects; I do agree that some parts of the language description/definition are a bit fuzzy. The language has inconsistencies: everyone agrees that, but it has evolved into something that Rasmus would not have believed when he first started. Oh: which of the actions above is more likely to produce good results for everyone: b1. > Well i'm not a fan of all this free open source as it shows that it is > a total enemy against progress in the IT and slows down development > enourmously I don't have a problem in you believing that. Now: off you go and pay all your MS license fees and marvel as to how secure it is and how quickly and openly they address bugs. We will still accept you back when you become disillusioned. Regards -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 http://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: http://www.phcomp.co.uk/contact.php Past chairman of UKUUG: http://www.ukuug.org/ #include > > […] > > I would suggest to fix your language too. You may also read about open > source software developments, how it works, where it came from, etc. > It could help you to do not pollute our list with pointless (and > respectless) mails. Something that we can agree on Pierre! I much prefer working with 'volunteers' that '9to5 clock watchers' ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php --- ## #45301 — Greg Beaver — 2009-08-17T11:48:35+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/45294#45301 · In reply to: #45294 Lothar Scholz wrote: > Hello Stanislav, > > Monday, August 17, 2009, 9:46:19 AM, you wrote: > > SM> Hi! > > > […] > > SM> So, you came to PHP developers list to call people names and whine about > SM> how the thing mostly done by volunteers and used by millions sucks? > > If they are doing bad - yes i do. I have to say i give a fuck about > volunteers troll....don't feed it