# add "scream" feature to core - Thread: https://externals.io/message/43196 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/43196 - Started by Pierre Joye on 2009-02-26T23:28:10+00:00 - Messages: 9 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #43196 — Pierre Joye — 2009-02-26T23:28:10+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/43196#43196 Hi, What's about adding what screan (http://pecl.php.net/scream) to the standard PHP? Everyone needs it and it should be possible to do that without having to install an extension. Comments/objections? Cheers -- Pierre http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #43198 — Ilia Alshanetsky — 2009-02-26T23:36:25+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/43196#43198 · In reply to: #43196 While a very useful feature, I think people who need it definitely will have the ability to run 2-3 commands that it takes to install a PECL extension. Ilia Alshanetsky > Hi, > > What's about adding what screan (http://pecl.php.net/scream) to the > standard PHP? Everyone needs it and it should be possible to do that > without having to install an extension. > > Comments/objections? > > Cheers > -- > Pierre > > http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #43199 — Richard Quadling — 2009-02-26T23:40:25+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/43196#43199 · In reply to: #43198 2009/2/26 Ilia Alshanetsky : > While a very useful feature, I think people who need it definitely will have > the ability to run 2-3 commands that it takes to install a PECL extension. > > Ilia Alshanetsky > > > > > > […] > > > -- > > > > Ilia, but us poor, useless, can't compile a shopping list, windows users need binaries. So making it core would be nice. -- ----- Richard Quadling Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" --- ## #43201 — Ilia Alshanetsky — 2009-02-27T00:16:27+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/43196#43201 · In reply to: #43199 Compile a shopping list? How frequently are you deploying PHP? ;-) Even if you need to compile 4-5 PECL extensions its probably something you do only every few months anyway. We used to have PECL win32 binaries, I don't see them on windows.php.net, but perhaps they are else where. Based on your argument we may as well drop PECL and put all extensions into core. Ilia Alshanetsky > > Ilia, but us poor, useless, can't compile a shopping list, windows > users need binaries. So making it core would be nice. > > -- > ----- > Richard Quadling > Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 > "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" --- ## #43202 — Pierre Joye — 2009-02-27T00:20:08+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/43196#43202 · In reply to: #43201 > Compile a shopping list? How frequently are you deploying PHP? ;-) Even if > you need to compile 4-5 PECL extensions its probably something you do only > every few months anyway. > We used to have PECL win32 binaries, I don't see them on windows.php.net, > but perhaps they are else where. > > Based on your argument we may as well drop PECL and put all extensions into > core. I can provide a bin for this one, that's no issue. As having this feature in the core is a non issue as well (not as an extension but in the engine). -- Pierre http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #43203 — Richard Quadling — 2009-02-27T00:21:03+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/43196#43203 · In reply to: #43201 2009/2/27 Ilia Alshanetsky : > Compile a shopping list? How frequently are you deploying PHP? ;-) Even if > you need to compile 4-5 PECL extensions its probably something you do only > every few months anyway. > We used to have PECL win32 binaries, I don't see them on windows.php.net, > but perhaps they are else where. > > Based on your argument we may as well drop PECL and put all extensions into > core. > > Ilia Alshanetsky > > No, no, no. Ideally win32 pre-compiled PECL binaries would keep me happy. Having http://pecl4win.php.net/ working would probably be best. > > > > > […] > > -- ----- Richard Quadling Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" --- ## #43208 — Greg Beaver — 2009-02-27T03:21:03+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/43196#43208 · In reply to: #43196 Pierre Joye wrote: > Hi, > > What's about adding what screan (http://pecl.php.net/scream) to the > standard PHP? Everyone needs it and it should be possible to do that > without having to install an extension. > > Comments/objections? If it can be done easily and unobtrusively to existing code, this would be useful to me for those hard-to-catch bugs in old code. Of course, I am one of the people Ilia is referring to who can do a 3-4 second "pecl install" pretty easily, so I don't have a strong stake in the debate either way :) Greg --- ## #43209 — Ronald Chmara — 2009-02-27T03:57:42+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/43196#43209 · In reply to: #43208 > Pierre Joye wrote: > > […] > If it can be done easily and unobtrusively to existing code, this > would > be useful to me for those hard-to-catch bugs in old code. Of > course, I > am one of the people Ilia is referring to who can do a 3-4 second > "pecl > install" pretty easily, so I don't have a strong stake in the debate > either way :) I'd rather see this as part of E_ALL, or maybe E_NOSUPPRESS (or something that sounds better). As far as the former, (E_ALL), I'd kind of actually hope that it gave me *ALL*, not just *ALL (...except suppressed errors)*. Actually, I've assumed it would. That being said, I: a) Don't mind typing a few lines to install something b) Wonder why "ALL" would be a limited subset of errors, with @ errors ignored. -Bop --- ## #43210 — Edward Z. Yang — 2009-02-27T04:02:38+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/43196#43210 · In reply to: #43196 So, my understanding of the shut-up operator was that it temporarily set error_reporting to zero, so you could define a custom error handler that would do the equivalent simply by not honoring error_reporting = 0. Something that would be more useful, and that I don't think is implementable in PHP, would be a wrapper around all user error handlers, since userland code can override the current error handler. Cheers, Edward