# Vote from a "Mere User"

- Thread: https://externals.io/message/41193
- Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/41193
- Started by Timothy Boronczyk on 2008-10-17T02:18:47+00:00
- Messages: 4
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## #41193 — Timothy Boronczyk — 2008-10-17T02:18:47+00:00

URL: https://externals.io/message/41193#41193

I'm just a "mere user" but here's how I would vote:

Issue 1: Choice #4 (with an alternate choice for #3).  My eye sight is bad
enough without having to distinguish between :: and :::.

Issue 2: Vote yes for Greg.  It just makes sense to me.

-Tim

Timothy Boronczyk, ZCE
tboronczyk@gmail.com

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## #41194 — Josh — 2008-10-17T02:48:58+00:00

URL: https://externals.io/message/41193#41194 · In reply to: #41193

I'm another "mere user", but here are my votes

Issue 1: Choice #3

Issue 2: Agree with Greg.

Josh Heidenreich
ZCE

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## #41196 — Mark — 2008-10-17T04:31:22+00:00

URL: https://externals.io/message/41193#41196 · In reply to: #41194

A "mere user" here too with some php namespace experience (with current
implementation).

Issue 1: Choice #4, with a fallback on choice #3

Issue 2: This should be a php.ini option, typically it's going to cause
a lot of (useless) calls to __autoload() for some existing code while
migrating to a namespace-oriented code.
This is also going to break things for some people who use require() in
__autoload().


Mark

Le vendredi 17 octobre 2008 à 13:18 +1030, Josh a écrit :
> I'm another "mere user", but here are my votes
> 
> Issue 1: Choice #3
> 
> Issue 2: Agree with Greg.
> 
> Josh Heidenreich
> ZCE

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## #41197 — Jeremy Darwood — 2008-10-17T04:52:50+00:00

URL: https://externals.io/message/41193#41197 · In reply to: #41196

I am a "mere user" you can consider as well. I usually just read  
internals. I wanted to add input into the namespace issue.

Using a difference of ::: or :: for separators is really confusing. I  
could slip up in programing by missing a single : and then have to go  
back to debug and it would be very easy to miss this.
I don't think option 1 and 2 would work here unless we used a  
different separator. At this time I do not have a suggestion for a  
separator. My eye sight isn't all that perfect, in fact typing them in  
this message, I had to double check I typed them correctly. Although  
this solves it, this isn't very user friendly.

Option 3 sounds nice, but since reading a previous internals note, you  
can use these in a if/else statement. Which I would prefer almost for  
those weird cases where you need to only include a class if it was for  
something specific such as a database, operating system or php version  
compatibility.

The issue I see with number 4 is lets say I have a forum and a cms. If  
I wanted to bridge those two and they had this conflict, I wouldn't be  
able to bridge these two very easily now. Conflicting code while  
working with apis and other open source/free scripts is my only  
concern with this.

That said, I think option 3 would work the best here with option 1 as  
another choice if we used a different separator that was more unique.


Jeremy



> A "mere user" here too with some php namespace experience (with  
> current
> implementation).
>
> Issue 1: Choice #4, with a fallback on choice #3
>
> Issue 2: This should be a php.ini option, typically it's going to  
> cause
> a lot of (useless) calls to __autoload() for some existing code while
> migrating to a namespace-oriented code.
> This is also going to break things for some people who use require()  
> in
> __autoload().
>
>
> Mark
>
> Le vendredi 17 octobre 2008 à 13:18 +1030, Josh a écrit :
> > […]