# PHP 5.3.0alpha2 - Thread: https://externals.io/message/40221 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/40221 - Started by Lukas Kahwe Smith on 2008-09-02T22:27:48+00:00 - Messages: 16 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #40221 — Lukas Kahwe Smith — 2008-09-02T22:27:48+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40221 Hello! Johannes has packed PHP 5.3.0alpha2 yesterday, which you can find here: http://downloads.php.net/johannes/ Windows binaries (optimized for various versions of Windows) are available from the new website dedicated to PHP's windows binaries: http://windows.php.net/downloads.php Please test it carefully, and report any bugs in the bug system, but only if you have a short reproducable test case. If everything goes well, we can release it somewhere at the end of next week. regards, Lukas and Johannes --- ## #40223 — Lukas Kahwe Smith — 2008-09-02T22:43:15+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40223 · In reply to: #40221 > Hello! > > Johannes has packed PHP 5.3.0alpha2 yesterday, which you can find > here: > http://downloads.php.net/johannes/ > > Windows binaries (optimized for various versions of Windows) are > available from the new website dedicated to PHP's windows binaries: > http://windows.php.net/downloads.php > > Please test it carefully, and report any bugs in the bug system, but > only if you have a short reproducable test case. > > If everything goes well, we can release it somewhere at the end of > next week. Sorry, that last line should not have been in there. A final release of PHP 5.3.0 will not happen before October or maybe even not until November. regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith mls@pooteeweet.org --- ## #40230 — Jan Schneider — 2008-09-03T04:33:31+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40230 · In reply to: #40221 Zitat von Lukas Kahwe Smith : > Windows binaries (optimized for various versions of Windows) are > available from the new website dedicated to PHP's windows binaries: > http://windows.php.net/downloads.php Looks like the file descriptions are wrong. The non-TS "PHP 5.3.0alpha2 VC9 x86" is labeled as "VC9 build x64." Jan. -- Do you need professional PHP or Horde consulting? http://horde.org/consulting/ --- ## #40233 — Pierre Joye — 2008-09-03T08:27:00+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40233 · In reply to: #40230 Hi Jan! > > Zitat von Lukas Kahwe Smith : > > > […] > > Looks like the file descriptions are wrong. The non-TS > "PHP 5.3.0alpha2 VC9 x86" is labeled as "VC9 build x64." Fixed, thanks for the notice! Cheers, -- Pierre http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #40238 — steve — 2008-09-03T22:56:16+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40238 · In reply to: #40221 That's great! I like all the different builds. Two things that pop out: 1) What are some recommended non-official builds of Apache2 in x64? and 2) Will there be PECL builds also? > Hello! > > Johannes has packed PHP 5.3.0alpha2 yesterday, which you can find here: > http://downloads.php.net/johannes/ > > Windows binaries (optimized for various versions of Windows) are available > from the new website dedicated to PHP's windows binaries: > http://windows.php.net/downloads.php > > Please test it carefully, and report any bugs in the bug system, but only if > you have a short reproducable test case. > > If everything goes well, we can release it somewhere at the end of next > week. > > regards, > Lukas and Johannes > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) --- ## #40239 — Pierre Joye — 2008-09-03T23:11:46+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40239 · In reply to: #40238 hi! > That's great! I like all the different builds. Two things that pop > out: 1) What are some recommended non-official builds of Apache2 in > x64? None yet, I still have to create some. Apache may provide some when they have began the move to VC9. VC9 Apache builds can be fetched from http://apachelounge.com, they are known to work very well. > and 2) Will there be PECL builds also? Yes, but directly in pecl.php.net package homepage. Cheers, -- Pierre http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #40240 — steve — 2008-09-03T23:26:17+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40240 · In reply to: #40239 > None yet, I still have to create some. Apache may provide some when > they have began the move to VC9. VC9 Apache builds can be fetched from > http://apachelounge.com, they are known to work very well. Hmm.. that is a good link. I had forgotten about them. Ideally, I'd like to get a all 64bit setup with Apache <-> FastCGI <-> PHP (nts). PHP is so much slower on windows, though a lot of it has to do with file handling, a Windows specific slowdown I guess. Merging all the PHP files into one speeds things up by 400%. But since I develop on a local windows build, and deploy on Linux, the merging of files is of little help. It is sort of a hail-mary that VC9 might somehow improve things, and might as well go 64bit at the same time. > > […] > > Yes, but directly in pecl.php.net package homepage. Does that mean there will be a package of them as before? But for all the build targets like your new site has? http://windows.php.net/downloads.php is a huge improvement. Thank you very much! -s --- ## #40241 — Pierre Joye — 2008-09-03T23:42:00+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40241 · In reply to: #40240 hi Steve, > > […] > > Hmm.. that is a good link. I had forgotten about them. Ideally, I'd > like to get a all 64bit setup with Apache <-> FastCGI <-> PHP (nts). Try with IIS7 + FCGI, it is _fast_ :) > PHP is so much slower on windows, though a lot of it has to do with > file handling, a Windows specific slowdown I guess. That's something I really to fix for 5.3.0 or later. That's part of my fresh new job to optimize PHP on Windows. If you have cases where the slowdown is identified (from a scripts point of view), please let me know and I will spend some time to solve them :) > > […] > > Does that mean there will be a package of them as before? But for all > the build targets like your new site has? Yes and per PHP branches (5.3 and 6.x). > http://windows.php.net/downloads.php is a huge improvement. Thank you very much! You are welcome! Very nice to see that it is appreciated, the PHP Windows team has worked hard to get here :-) Cheers, -- Pierre http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #40242 — Andi Gutmans — 2008-09-04T04:06:25+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40242 · In reply to: #40238 Btw, contrary to what many believe, 32bit PHP tends to perform better than 64bit PHP. So unless there's a really good reason why you want 64bit I wouldn't waste too much time on that. Andi > -----Original Message----- > From: steve [mailto:iamstever@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:56 PM > To: Lukas Kahwe Smith > Cc: PHP Internals List; php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP] PHP 5.3.0alpha2 > > That's great! I like all the different builds. Two things that pop > out: 1) What are some recommended non-official builds of Apache2 in > x64? and 2) Will there be PECL builds also? > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > > […] here: > > […] available > > […] only if > > […] next > > […] --- ## #40243 — steve — 2008-09-04T06:24:52+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40243 · In reply to: #40242 Good to know. And it makes it easier to use the Apache builds from http://apachelounge.com. > Btw, contrary to what many believe, 32bit PHP tends to perform better > than 64bit PHP. > So unless there's a really good reason why you want 64bit I wouldn't > waste too much time on that. > > Andi --- ## #40244 — steve — 2008-09-04T06:36:38+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40244 · In reply to: #40241 > Try with IIS7 + FCGI, it is _fast_ :) It's a "same-across-platforms" thing. Mostly to do with the fact we use mod-rewrite. :( > > […] > > That's something I really to fix for 5.3.0 or later. That's part of my > fresh new job to optimize PHP on Windows. If you have cases where the > slowdown is identified (from a scripts point of view), please let me > know and I will spend some time to solve them :) It is pretty much include() and its relatives. Autoloading with a lot of possible include paths. I'm sure if you had a Zend Framework App and put it on Windows, and took out all the require_onces with paths in them and instead added all those folders to the include path, you would see what I mean. However, on Linux it would fly. Not that it matters to me, since I parse all our files and find a dependancy tree and merge them before deploying to a webfarm. (I do parsing / combining of CSS also, but need to keep a distance vector when compressing them, otherwise the order of some rules shifts too much when combined... hmm... guess what I am working on today?) -Ru PS: The http://windows.php.net/downloads.php site *looks* good too... :) --- ## #40246 — Pierre Joye — 2008-09-04T07:08:47+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40246 · In reply to: #40244 > > […] > > It's a "same-across-platforms" thing. Mostly to do with the fact we > use mod-rewrite. :( I did not try it yet but IIS has a rewrite module. There is also a commercial product being 100% compatible with mod_rewrite (http://www.micronovae.com/ModRewrite/ModRewrite.html). -- Pierre http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #40247 — Pierre Joye — 2008-09-04T07:20:01+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40247 · In reply to: #40242 hi, > Btw, contrary to what many believe, 32bit PHP tends to perform better > than 64bit PHP. > So unless there's a really good reason why you want 64bit I wouldn't > waste too much time on that. And do not forget that the x64 builds are highly experimental. I would not suggest to use them for anything else but testing. They are also incomplete as some libraries are not yet ported to x64 or other needs tweaks. Cheers. -- Pierre http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org --- ## #40250 — johannes@php.net — 2008-09-04T12:23:53+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40250 · In reply to: #40244 > It is pretty much include() and its relatives. Autoloading with a lot > of possible include paths. I'm sure if you had a Zend Framework App > and put it on Windows, and took out all the require_onces with paths > in them Try 5.3 please, our implementation of `realpath()`, one of the biggest require_once slowdowns, as well as other parts were improved quite a lot. Feedback is welcome :-) johannes --- ## #40696 — steve — 2008-09-26T04:06:32+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#40696 · In reply to: #40250 OK, I finally went to do it and this link doesn't work: PHP 5.3.0alpha2 VC9 x86 http://downloads.php.net/pierre/php-5.3.0alpha2-nts-Win32-VC9.zip > > > […] > > Try 5.3 please, our implementation of `realpath()`, one of the biggest > require_once slowdowns, as well as other parts were improved quite a > lot. > > Feedback is welcome :-) > > johannes --- ## #44553 — Evert | Filemobile — 2009-06-30T15:47:17+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/40221#44553 · In reply to: #40242 > Btw, contrary to what many believe, 32bit PHP tends to perform better > than 64bit PHP. > So unless there's a really good reason why you want 64bit I wouldn't > waste too much time on that. I have heard this before, but CPU hasn't really been our bottleneck on our webservers, rather than memory. Am I doing it wrong, or is that a 'really good reason' ?