# GSoC, Mutation Testing, Ineligible - Thread: https://externals.io/message/28617 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/28617 - Started by Thomas Koch on 2007-03-27T13:52:27+00:00 - Messages: 7 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #28617 — Thomas Koch — 2007-03-27T13:52:27+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/28617#28617 Hi, I've posted an application for the Mutation Testing idea from Sebastian on Sunday. Today, just some minutes before deadline, the application status has been set to "Ineligible" without any comment or even a name of the one who set this status. First I have to admit that I've not contacted you on this list and that my application is rather short. But I've had a chat with Sebastian on #phpunit, use and know phpunit and the project's scope is very well defined, because there are examples from Java that only needs to be adapted for PHP. So I'd like to kindly ask you to tell me, who kicked me out and why? Should I write a longer abstract? Best regards, Thomas Koch --- ## #28618 — Sebastian Bergmann — 2007-03-27T14:13:43+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/28617#28618 · In reply to: #28617 Thomas Koch wrote: > Today, just some minutes before deadline, the application status has > been set to "Ineligible" without any comment or even a name of the one > who set this status. I set the application status to "Ineligible" which, in the terms of Google's web interface for GSoC, means that no mentor should vote on it anymore. At least as far as I understood it. > So I'd like to kindly ask you to tell me, who kicked me out and why? There are quite a few applications for this project idea. Yours was not the best, sorry. > Best regards, > Thomas Koch Best regards, Sebastian -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ GnuPG Key: 0xB85B5D69 / 27A7 2B14 09E4 98CD 6277 0E5B 6867 C514 B85B 5D69 --- ## #28636 — Mark Wiesemann — 2007-03-31T07:45:35+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/28617#28636 · In reply to: #28618 Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Thomas Koch wrote: > > […] > > I set the application status to "Ineligible" which, in the terms of > Google's web interface for GSoC, means that no mentor should vote on it > anymore. At least as far as I understood it. To avoid such wrong interpretations for the next GSoCs, I'll cite Google's explaination: | The Ineligible Link | Before any application has been scored, there will be a link on the | application page to mark the application "Ineligible." Clicking the | "Ineligible" link gives the application a score of -10 and drops it | to the bottom of the application list. Use the "Ineligible" link only | for applications that are spam. To be clear, a badly written | application is not ineligible, it should simply receive bad scores, | e.g. -2. Proposals that are copied directly from an organization's | Ideas list are not ineligible, they are just poorly written and | should be scored accordingly. An example of an Ineligible application | would be one in which the student simply states "I like to program, | can I work with you guys?" but does not provide a project proposal | for a project. The most important sentence of this paragraph is: | Use the "Ineligible" link only for applications that are spam. Source: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-to-the-gsoc-web-app-for-mentors-and-organization-administrators Regards, Mark -- http://www.markwiesemann.eu --- ## #28637 — Lukas Kahwe Smith — 2007-03-31T08:55:49+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/28617#28637 · In reply to: #28636 Mark Wiesemann wrote: > The most important sentence of this paragraph is: > | Use the "Ineligible" link only for applications that are spam. Sorry about that. You have to realize that the SoC Mentor interface is utter crap. So we are trying to make the best of the available features in order to come to the optimal list of applications. Do not take this personally. regards, Lukas --- ## #28638 — Mark Wiesemann — 2007-03-31T09:12:11+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/28617#28638 · In reply to: #28637 Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > Mark Wiesemann wrote: > > > […] > > Sorry about that. You have to realize that the SoC Mentor interface is > utter crap. So we are trying to make the best of the available features > in order to come to the optimal list of applications. Do not take this > personally. No need to say sorry, I'm not affected. This was just a friendly note for Sebastian and other mentors, e.g. to avoid that maybe Google itself ranks people like Thomas Koch next year down because their 2007 application was marked as "spam" (<= in Google's interpretation). Regards, Mark -- http://www.markwiesemann.eu --- ## #28639 — Lukas Kahwe Smith — 2007-03-31T09:15:42+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/28617#28639 · In reply to: #28638 Mark Wiesemann wrote: > This was just a friendly note for Sebastian and other mentors, e.g. to > avoid that maybe Google itself ranks people like Thomas Koch next year > down because their 2007 application was marked as "spam" (<= in Google's > interpretation). Good point. We will provide feedback to Google on this issue. regards, Lukas --- ## #28735 — Lukas Kahwe Smith — 2007-04-11T20:54:09+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/28617#28735 · In reply to: #28639 Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > Mark Wiesemann wrote: > > > […] > > Good point. We will provide feedback to Google on this issue. FYI: I noticed that Google finally implemented a feature to undo marking things ineligible and so I went in and "fixed" everything. Now only real spam and absolutely bogus requests are marked ineligible. regards, Lukas