# Date flamewar summary - Thread: https://externals.io/message/24679 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/24679 - Started by Ilia Alshanetsky on 2006-07-19T15:15:53+00:00 - Messages: 19 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #24679 — Ilia Alshanetsky — 2006-07-19T15:15:53+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24679 Now that everyone had their say (I hope) I've made a quick tally of the votes so far: Rename date & timezone classes to DateTime and DateTimeZone respectively Tony Derick Mike Rasmus Andi Ilia Don't do anything and wait till 5.3/6.0 etc.. Pierre Steph So it's 6 to 2 so far. I have not seen a clear vote from Marcus, Edin, John, Jani and Andrei who had actively participated in the discussion. Ilia Alshanetsky --- ## #24680 — Edin Kadribasic — 2006-07-19T15:23:00+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24680 · In reply to: #24679 I'm OK with DateTime and DateTimeZone too. Edin Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > Now that everyone had their say (I hope) I've made a quick tally of > the votes so far: > > Rename date & timezone classes to DateTime and DateTimeZone respectively > Tony > Derick > Mike > Rasmus > Andi > Ilia > > Don't do anything and wait till 5.3/6.0 etc.. > Pierre > Steph > > So it's 6 to 2 so far. > > I have not seen a clear vote from Marcus, Edin, John, Jani and Andrei > who had actively participated in the discussion. > > Ilia Alshanetsky --- ## #24684 — Ron Korving — 2006-07-19T15:31:44+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24684 · In reply to: #24679 I don't wanna be a nitpicker here, but I've seen DateTimeZone and DateTimezone both used in the discussion. I'm not sure which would be the popular one. - Ron PS: shake hands and make up.. group hug everyone? :) "Ilia Alshanetsky" schreef in bericht news:53CE8C91-B388-4DC8-81B1-15B7F17C3162@prohost.org... > Now that everyone had their say (I hope) I've made a quick tally of > the votes so far: > > Rename date & timezone classes to DateTime and DateTimeZone respectively > Tony > Derick > Mike > Rasmus > Andi > Ilia > > Don't do anything and wait till 5.3/6.0 etc.. > Pierre > Steph > > So it's 6 to 2 so far. > > I have not seen a clear vote from Marcus, Edin, John, Jani and Andrei > who had actively participated in the discussion. > > Ilia Alshanetsky --- ## #24685 — Jani Taskinen — 2006-07-19T15:32:56+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24685 · In reply to: #24679 > Now that everyone had their say (I hope) I've made a quick tally of the votes > so far: > > Rename date & timezone classes to DateTime and DateTimeZone respectively > Tony > Derick > Mike > Rasmus > Andi > Ilia Jani > Don't do anything and wait till 5.3/6.0 etc.. > Pierre > Steph > > So it's 6 to 2 so far. > > I have not seen a clear vote from Marcus, Edin, John, Jani and Andrei who had > actively participated in the discussion. > > Ilia Alshanetsky --- ## #24689 — Ilia Alshanetsky — 2006-07-19T15:43:43+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24689 · In reply to: #24684 Class names are not case sensitive, so it does not matter if it is FooBar or fooBar or even FoObAR. > I don't wanna be a nitpicker here, but I've seen DateTimeZone and > DateTimezone both used in the discussion. I'm not sure which would > be the > popular one. > > - Ron > > PS: shake hands and make up.. group hug everyone? :) > > > "Ilia Alshanetsky" schreef in bericht > news:53CE8C91-B388-4DC8-81B1-15B7F17C3162@prohost.org... > > […] > > -- > > > > Ilia Alshanetsky --- ## #24691 — Lukas Smith — 2006-07-19T15:47:31+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24691 · In reply to: #24689 Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > Class names are not case sensitive, so it does not matter if it is > FooBar or fooBar or even FoObAR. Ilia, since PHP5 we are case preserving. So it does matter, though only stylistically, not technically. regards, Lukas --- ## #24692 — Sean Coates — 2006-07-19T15:55:09+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24692 · In reply to: #24679 > Now that everyone had their say (I hope) I've made a quick tally of the > votes so far: > > Rename date & timezone classes to DateTime and DateTimeZone respectively FWIW, add me to this. S --- ## #24703 — Steph Fox — 2006-07-19T17:00:26+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24703 · In reply to: #24679 I don't recall saying 'don't do anything' at any stage... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ilia Alshanetsky" To: "PHP Internals" Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:15 PM Subject: [PHP-DEV] Date flamewar summary > Now that everyone had their say (I hope) I've made a quick tally of > the votes so far: > > Rename date & timezone classes to DateTime and DateTimeZone respectively > Tony > Derick > Mike > Rasmus > Andi > Ilia > > Don't do anything and wait till 5.3/6.0 etc.. > Pierre > Steph > > So it's 6 to 2 so far. > > I have not seen a clear vote from Marcus, Edin, John, Jani and Andrei > who had actively participated in the discussion. > > Ilia Alshanetsky --- ## #24701 — Andrei Zmievski — 2006-07-19T17:00:38+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24701 · In reply to: #24679 Rename it to DateTime and DateTimeZone. > Now that everyone had their say (I hope) I've made a quick tally of > the votes so far: > > Rename date & timezone classes to DateTime and DateTimeZone > respectively > Tony > Derick > Mike > Rasmus > Andi > Ilia > > Don't do anything and wait till 5.3/6.0 etc.. > Pierre > Steph > > So it's 6 to 2 so far. > > I have not seen a clear vote from Marcus, Edin, John, Jani and Andrei > who had actively participated in the discussion. > > Ilia Alshanetsky --- ## #24705 — Ilia Alshanetsky — 2006-07-19T17:09:53+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24705 · In reply to: #24703 am I quote ------------ I already agreed with Pierre over this, and offered to support him in giving PEAR support for upgrading. So long as it goes in from the start of 5_3 branch, why not? (Like it should've done at the start of 5_2 already.) I think it's worth holding out for a few more months to get sane names in there - and the original names are the sanest, least confusing names. - Steph ------------ > I don't recall saying 'don't do anything' at any stage... Ilia Alshanetsky --- ## #24706 — Steph Fox — 2006-07-19T17:15:04+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24706 · In reply to: #24705 :) 'do nothing' just sounds like 'let's ignore this whole thing', and that's _really_ not what I meant there! But nm. It looks like DateTime/DateTimeZone has the majority vote by a long chalk anyway, so be it. - Steph > am I quote > ------------ > > I already agreed with Pierre over this, and offered to support him in > giving PEAR support for upgrading. So long as it goes in from the > start of 5_3 branch, why not? (Like it should've done at the start of > 5_2 already.) I think it's worth holding out for a few more months to > get sane names in there - and the original names are the sanest, > least confusing names. > > - Steph > > ------------ > > > > > […] > > Ilia Alshanetsky --- ## #24712 — John Coggeshall — 2006-07-19T18:10:01+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24712 · In reply to: #24680 > > […] + > > John +1 John --- ## #24715 — Derick Rethans — 2006-07-19T18:32:47+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24715 · In reply to: #24691 > Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > > […] > > Ilia, since PHP5 we are case preserving. So it does matter, though only > stylistically, not technically. DateTimeZone as "timezone" is not a word. (It's two words: "time zone") Derick --- ## #24719 — Sara Golemon — 2006-07-19T19:35:11+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24719 · In reply to: #24679 > Now that everyone had their say (I hope) I've made a quick tally of > the votes so far: > My $0.02USD; Most Ideal: Grant the 'Date' namespace to Internals (Not going to happen for the volume of reasons already discussed.) DO NOT REPLY WITH ALL THE REASONS I AM WRONG FOR HAVING THIS OPINION. I ACCEPT THAT IT WON'T HAPPEN. SO DON'T.......NONONONO NO BUTS, I SAID DON'T. Least Ideal: Leave it out entirely until 5.3. This was the argument during the 5.1 RC stage. There's no excuse to be having this argument still. Compromise: Give it the red-headed-stepchild names of DateTime and DateTimeZone. -Sara --- ## #24726 — Marcus Boerger — 2006-07-19T20:23:50+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24726 · In reply to: #24680 Hello Edin, Wednesday, July 19, 2006, 5:23:00 PM, you wrote: > I'm OK with DateTime and DateTimeZone too. > Edin > Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > > […] i am not going to look up a link for where i said my opinion. But trust i immediatley replied to andi as he was the first to offer a real name solution and added me as +1. Apart from that i said 'DateTimeZone' from the beginning (or was that on some channel...) well count me as +1 Best regards, Marcus --- ## #24727 — Steph Fox — 2006-07-19T20:25:57+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24727 · In reply to: #24726 > > […] > > i am not going to look up a link for where i said my opinion. But trust > i immediatley replied to andi as he was the first to offer a real name > solution and added me as +1. Apart from that i said 'DateTimeZone' from > the beginning (or was that on some channel...) well count me as +1 I'm moving over to indicate my acceptance of the 'red-headed stepchild' just so's we get close to total agreement amongst the warriors :) +1 - Steph > > Best regards, > Marcus > > -- > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1380 (20060125) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com --- ## #24733 — Alan Knowles — 2006-07-20T01:50:48+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24733 · In reply to: #24679 +1 for adding the namespace patch in :) - oh well I can always dream... Regards Alan Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > Now that everyone had their say (I hope) I've made a quick tally of > the votes so far: > > Rename date & timezone classes to DateTime and DateTimeZone respectively > Tony > Derick > Mike > Rasmus > Andi > Ilia > > Don't do anything and wait till 5.3/6.0 etc.. > Pierre > Steph > > So it's 6 to 2 so far. > > I have not seen a clear vote from Marcus, Edin, John, Jani and Andrei > who had actively participated in the discussion. > > Ilia Alshanetsky --- ## #24734 — Jason Sweat — 2006-07-20T02:24:19+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24734 · In reply to: #24733 > +1 for adding the namespace patch in :) - oh well I can always dream... > Regards > Alan +1 dreamer ( and +1 annoying de-lurker voting because he thinks it is american idol ;) Regards, Jason http://blog.casey-sweat.us/ --- ## #24737 — bertrand Gugger — 2006-07-20T03:48:00+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24679#24737 · In reply to: #24734 Jason Sweat wrote: > > > > […] > > > +1 dreamer ( and +1 annoying de-lurker voting because he thinks it is > american idol ;) > > Regards, > Jason Why ? I got schoked when I saw those 150 mails there. Now I know it was just a Dream::Dreamer instance. Regards toggg