# Stepping in as RM for our PHP 4 branche - Thread: https://externals.io/message/24462 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/24462 - Started by Pierre on 2006-07-18T13:32:49+00:00 - Messages: 28 - Page 1 of 2: messages 1 to 25 (25 per page, add `?page=N` to the URL) - Next page: https://externals.io/message/24462.md?page=2 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #24462 — Pierre — 2006-07-18T13:32:49+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24462 Hello, We need a PHP 4 release. We need it now and we will need more and regular releases in the near future. It is clear that the current RM is not able to do his job in time and in coordination with the other developers. See the numerous requests about php4 releases or informations, they are all without answers. I'm not saying that we should add features or fix minor bugs but there is many security issues and segfaults that have been fixed since months.PHP4 will slowly and surely loose all its users, but we cannot stop to release it now, neither in the next 2 years. I'm volunteer to be the RM for the PHP 4 branche until its death. Cheers, -- Pierre --- ## #24489 — Andrei Zmievski — 2006-07-18T17:15:40+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24489 · In reply to: #24462 Go for it. > Hello, > > We need a PHP 4 release. We need it now and we will need more and > regular releases in the near future. > > It is clear that the current RM is not able to do his job in time and > in coordination with the other developers. See the numerous requests > about php4 releases or informations, they are all without answers. > > I'm not saying that we should add features or fix minor bugs but there > is many security issues and segfaults that have been fixed since > months.PHP4 will slowly and surely loose all its users, but we cannot > stop to release it now, neither in the next 2 years. > > I'm volunteer to be the RM for the PHP 4 branche until its death. > > Cheers, > -- Pierre --- ## #24505 — Derick Rethans — 2006-07-18T17:50:50+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24505 · In reply to: #24489 > Go for it. Que? Derick -- Derick Rethans http://derickrethans.nl | http://ez.no | http://xdebug.org --- ## #24500 — Andrei Zmievski — 2006-07-18T17:55:19+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24500 · In reply to: #24505 Do you have time/inclination to be RM for 4.4? If not, let Pierre do it. > > > > […] > > Que? > > Derick > -- > Derick Rethans > http://derickrethans.nl | http://ez.no | http://xdebug.org --- ## #24501 — Derick Rethans — 2006-07-18T17:55:30+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24501 · In reply to: #24500 > Do you have time/inclination to be RM for 4.4? If not, let Pierre do it. Sure, why wouldn't I? I did an RC before my holiday and soon it's time for a release... can't do releases in some remote village on Iceland now can I? Derick -- Derick Rethans http://derickrethans.nl | http://ez.no | http://xdebug.org --- ## #24502 — Pierre — 2006-07-18T18:04:04+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24502 · In reply to: #24501 > > > > […] > > Sure, why wouldn't I? I did an RC before my holiday and soon it's time > for a release... can't do releases in some remote village on Iceland now > can I? No you cannot. And you was also not able to release in the past 5 months. That's why you should resign and let me do it. --Pierre --- ## #24520 — Jani Taskinen — 2006-07-18T20:33:46+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24520 · In reply to: #24502 > > > […] > > No you cannot. And you was also not able to release in the past 5 > months. That's why you should resign and let me do it. How about a nice hot cup of STFU? :) --Jani (harsh remark removed) p.s. Team work. That's how it should work, shouldn't it? --- ## #24523 — Pierre — 2006-07-18T20:41:38+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24523 · In reply to: #24520 Hello, > > > > […] > > How about a nice hot cup of STFU? :) > > --Jani (harsh remark removed) Welcome back, good to see that you are still pollite. > p.s. Team work. That's how it should work, shouldn't it? Yes, and in my book, my team collegues answer mails, don't ignore users question and inform the rest of the team of their plans. If you read the archives you will see that none of these points has been fullfilled in the past 5 months. Cheers, --Pierre --- ## #24525 — Jani Taskinen — 2006-07-18T20:45:44+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24525 · In reply to: #24523 > Welcome back, good to see that you are still pollite. I'm like a tiger, can't get rid of my stripes. :) (bare with me, last 6 weeks in duty has been hell) > > […] > > Yes, and in my book, my team collegues answer mails, don't ignore > users question and inform the rest of the team of their plans. If you > read the archives you will see that none of these points has been > fullfilled in the past 5 months. Virtue number one: patience.. You should visit the A-country for a few months and see how slowly things really can go ahead. After that few weeks is nothing. And some people do have holidays some times. ;) --Jani --- ## #24533 — John Coggeshall — 2006-07-18T20:56:50+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24533 · In reply to: #24523 > Yes, and in my book, my team collegues answer mails, don't ignore > users question and inform the rest of the team of their plans. If you > read the archives you will see that none of these points has been > fullfilled in the past 5 months. Not to be a jerk, but things that don't fall under the category of discussing the technical merits of decisions for PHP should probably be taken offlist. John --- ## #24547 — Edin Kadribasic — 2006-07-18T21:42:54+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24547 · In reply to: #24533 John Coggeshall wrote: > > > > […] > > > Not to be a jerk, but things that don't fall under the category of > discussing the technical merits of decisions for PHP should probably be > taken offlist. Which forum you think should be used for evaluating/selecting a Release Master? Edin --- ## #24550 — Marcus Boerger — 2006-07-18T21:52:36+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24550 · In reply to: #24501 Hello Derick, well i know you d a lot and had to slow down and have been on vacation. Yet the vast majority is still using php 4 and we are indeed facing a lof of security issues and don't do our reputation good if keep taking long times between mini releases. If now Pierre thinks he can do faster so be it. And which him all success. Maybe you can get RM for 5.2 then? best regards marcus Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 7:55:30 PM, you wrote: > > > […] > Sure, why wouldn't I? I did an RC before my holiday and soon it's time > for a release... can't do releases in some remote village on Iceland now > can I? > Derick > -- > Derick Rethans > http://derickrethans.nl | http://ez.no | http://xdebug.org Best regards, Marcus --- ## #24553 — Marco — 2006-07-18T21:54:15+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24553 · In reply to: #24547 Sorry to barge in here with my opinions but isnt this discussion a little mute? How many more PHP 4 releases are you expecting? Surely 4.4.3 should be the last? (Baring any serious security flaws) IMO bug fixes should be reserved for PHP 5.x releases only. Regards Marco --- ## #24555 — Ilia Alshanetsky — 2006-07-18T22:00:02+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24555 · In reply to: #24553 While I'd love 4.4.3 to be the last release in the 4.X series, I suspect there would be at least 1 and probably 2 releases after it. > Sorry to barge in here with my opinions but isnt this discussion a > little > mute? > > How many more PHP 4 releases are you expecting? Surely 4.4.3 should > be the > last? (Baring any serious security flaws) IMO bug fixes should be > reserved > for PHP 5.x releases only. > > Regards > > Marco Ilia Alshanetsky --- ## #24557 — Ilia Alshanetsky — 2006-07-18T22:04:28+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24557 · In reply to: #24547 > > Which forum you think should be used for evaluating/selecting a > Release Master? As far as I know people have always volunteered for this role, I don't recall times we had excess of candidates for the position (I wonder why ;-)). Ultimately, I think wether someone is given RM lays in part with the core developer community and in part with PHP Group that ultimately has the stewardship of the project. Ilia Alshanetsky --- ## #24558 — Edin Kadribasic — 2006-07-18T22:07:15+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24558 · In reply to: #24557 Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: > > > > […] > > > As far as I know people have always volunteered for this role, I don't > recall times we had excess of candidates for the position (I wonder why > ;-)). Ultimately, I think wether someone is given RM lays in part with > the core developer community and in part with PHP Group that ultimately > has the stewardship of the project. Didn't you hear? PHP group is dead ;) Edin --- ## #24561 — Marcus Boerger — 2006-07-18T22:13:07+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24561 · In reply to: #24550 Hello all, actually i should count better, Ilia does 5.2 so the next open RM would be for 5.3. And since we are heading towards RC phase of 5.2 it is anyway time to look for an RM of upcoming 5.3. best regards marcus Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 11:52:36 PM, you wrote: > Hello Derick, > well i know you d a lot and had to slow down and have been on vacation. > Yet the vast majority is still using php 4 and we are indeed facing a > lof of security issues and don't do our reputation good if keep taking > long times between mini releases. If now Pierre thinks he can do faster > so be it. And which him all success. Maybe you can get RM for 5.2 then? > best regards > marcus > Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 7:55:30 PM, you wrote: > > […] > > […] > > […] --- ## #24569 — Derick Rethans — 2006-07-18T22:34:55+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24569 · In reply to: #24555 > While I'd love 4.4.3 to be the last release in the 4.X series, I suspect there > would be at least 1 and probably 2 releases after it. Yeah, it will continue until there is no need anymore. Derick -- Derick Rethans http://derickrethans.nl | http://ez.no | http://xdebug.org --- ## #24570 — Derick Rethans — 2006-07-18T22:38:46+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24570 · In reply to: #24550 > well i know you d a lot and had to slow down and have been on vacation. > Yet the vast majority is still using php 4 and we are indeed facing a > lof of security issues and don't do our reputation good if keep taking > long times between mini releases. Well, that might be true a bit but you know there were some other factors here as well why it took some more time. Now (unfortunately) holiday is over and I'm back (also with more time) so no need to switch anything. Derick --- ## #24574 — Pierre — 2006-07-18T22:45:04+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24574 · In reply to: #24570 > > > > […] > > Well, that might be true a bit but you know there were some other > factors here as well why it took some more time. Now (unfortunately) > holiday is over and I'm back (also with more time) so no need to switch > anything. I'm very interested to know which factors have something to do with us. Do you mind to enlight us? I maintain my candidature, or if I am the problem, please propose someone else. Cheers, --Pierre --- ## #24580 — Derick Rethans — 2006-07-18T22:52:45+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24580 · In reply to: #24574 > > > […] > > I'm very interested to know which factors have something to do with > us. Do you mind to enlight us? Some issues with a certain person that didn't really want to say which fixes where not merged yet. But that is hardly to the topic here. > I maintain my candidature, or if I am the problem, please propose > someone else. We don't need to change anything. Derick --- ## #24586 — Pierre — 2006-07-18T23:00:01+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24586 · In reply to: #24580 > > > > […] > > Some issues with a certain person that didn't really want to say which > fixes where not merged yet. But that is hardly to the topic here. It is the topic. For the first time in months, you give us something like a reason. I don't consider that as enough. You say you don't want to change, up to you, I will let the other decide and act accordingly . --Pierre --- ## #24761 — Edin Kadribasic — 2006-07-20T13:07:04+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24761 · In reply to: #24586 So who is the RM? Edin --- ## #24762 — Derick Rethans — 2006-07-20T13:09:06+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24762 · In reply to: #24761 > So who is the RM? Me, is there anything? besides there was only one feedback on the RC from the primairy testers I guess there are no problems. So a release next week seems like the way to go now. regards, Derick --- ## #24763 — Edin Kadribasic — 2006-07-20T13:12:51+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/24462#24763 · In reply to: #24762 Derick Rethans wrote: > > > > > […] > > Me, is there anything? besides there was only one feedback on the RC > from the primairy testers I guess there are no problems. So a release > next week seems like the way to go now. > Well since I'm doing the windows releases it's important for me to know with whom to coordinate on the unix side of things :) Edin --- Next page: https://externals.io/message/24462.md?page=2