# #36983 [Bgs] (Meaning of "Bogus")

- Thread: https://externals.io/message/22700
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- Started by Ford on 2006-04-10T11:44:53+00:00
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## #22700 — Ford — 2006-04-10T11:44:53+00:00

URL: https://externals.io/message/22700#22700

>  ID:               36983
>  User updated by:  crisp at tweakers dot net
>  Reported By:      crisp at tweakers dot net
>  Status:           Bogus
> 
> That last remark is taking my well-meant criticism to the extreme;
> surely you will know that that was not what I meant.
> 'bogus' has a negative ring to it - at least it does for me as a
> non-native English-speaking person.

Redirecting this to internals@ as I want to comment but don't think the public bugs forum is appropriate.

As an English-native English speaker, I've long been dissatisfied with the "Bogus" status.  To me, "bogus" means false, fake, fraudulent, made-up with intent to deceive; I've come to understand that it is not so strongly negative in American English, but nonetheless it still jars every time I see it.

As an international project, should PHP not strongly consider changing something that has such bad connotations for a significant part of the English-speaking community?  Even if you (we) avoid offending only a handful of people, is that not a worthwhile payback?

Not sure what you'd use as a replacement -- "Not PHP Bug" sounds good, but doesn't really work for submissions currently bogussed for being duplicates.

Thoughts?

Cheers!

Mike

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## #22701 — Jani Taskinen — 2006-04-10T12:05:52+00:00

URL: https://externals.io/message/22700#22701 · In reply to: #22700

We've had this discussion in the past and the conclusion was
     that there's nothing bogus with bogus. :)

     Move along, nothing to see here..

     --Jani



> 
>
> > […]
>
> Redirecting this to internals@ as I want to comment but don't think the
> public bugs forum is appropriate.
>
> As an English-native English speaker, I've long been dissatisfied with the
> "Bogus" status.  To me, "bogus" means false, fake, fraudulent, made-up
> with intent to deceive; I've come to understand that it is not so strongly
> negative in American English, but nonetheless it still jars every time I
> see it.
>
> As an international project, should PHP not strongly consider changing
> something that has such bad connotations for a significant part of the
> English-speaking community?  Even if you (we) avoid offending only a
> handful of people, is that not a worthwhile payback?
>
> Not sure what you'd use as a replacement -- "Not PHP Bug" sounds good, but
> doesn't really work for submissions currently bogussed for being
> duplicates.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>
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> Mike Ford,  Electronic Information Services Adviser,
> Learning Support Services, Learning & Information Services,
> JG125, James Graham Building, Leeds Metropolitan University,
> Headingley Campus, LEEDS,  LS6 3QS,  United Kingdom
> Email: m.ford@leedsmet.ac.uk
> Tel: +44 113 283 2600 extn 4730      Fax:  +44 113 283 3211