# PHP 5.0.5? - Thread: https://externals.io/message/20708 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/20708 - Started by Piotr Roszatycki on 2005-11-28T10:26:15+00:00 - Messages: 13 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #20708 — Piotr Roszatycki — 2005-11-28T10:26:15+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/20708#20708 The PHP 5.0.5 disappeared from download page. What does it mean? There will be 5.0.6? 5.0.4 is the last from 5.0.x series? -- .''`. Piotr Roszatycki, Netia SA : :' : mailto:Piotr_Roszatycki@netia.net.pl `. `' mailto:dexter@debian.org ` --- ## #20709 — Lester Caine — 2005-11-28T10:38:08+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/20708#20709 · In reply to: #20708 Piotr Roszatycki wrote: > The PHP 5.0.5 disappeared from download page. What does it mean? There will be > 5.0.6? 5.0.4 is the last from 5.0.x series? I was going to say just go to the releases page http://www.php.net/releases.php But now I have been there myself I see what you mean So rather than wasting time getting all my sites working with PHP5.0.5 (which is why *I* have not had time to run up 5.1 yet) I should have taken the other option and ignored it and gone straight to since now I have to go through the same exercise to get 5.1 playing fairly with dates ;) -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services Treasurer - Firebird Foundation Inc. --- ## #20710 — Edin Kadribasic — 2005-11-28T10:45:55+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/20708#20710 · In reply to: #20709 Lester Caine wrote: > So rather than wasting time getting all my sites working with PHP5.0.5 > (which is why *I* have not had time to run up 5.1 yet) I should have > taken the other option and ignored it and gone straight to since now I > have to go through the same exercise to get 5.1 playing fairly with > dates ;) For the impatient, http://downloads.php.net/ilia/php-5.1.1.tar.bz2 plays nicely with dates :) Edin --- ## #20711 — Lester Caine — 2005-11-28T10:56:53+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/20708#20711 · In reply to: #20710 Edin Kadribasic wrote: > Lester Caine wrote: > > > […] > > > For the impatient, http://downloads.php.net/ilia/php-5.1.1.tar.bz2 plays > nicely with dates :) But is not available for windows yet :( In the meantime I am still receiving 'complaints' from people who have only just switched to 5.0.5 - and now their sites don't work - As well as people WHO I HAVE TOLD NOT TO USE 5.1 who - can't get my code to run on it. *PLEASE* put something in BIG WRITING on the download page so that the ordinary users know what is going on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services Treasurer - Firebird Foundation Inc. --- ## #20712 — Bastian Grupe — 2005-11-28T11:13:16+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/20708#20712 · In reply to: #20708 My primary concern is that 5.0.5 still consists some (in 5.1 resolved) bugs and security holes. Since it is unlikely to assume that people will move to 5.1.1 immediately IMO there should be a 5.0.6 with the current fixes. Piotr Roszatycki wrote: > The PHP 5.0.5 disappeared from download page. What does it mean? There will be > 5.0.6? 5.0.4 is the last from 5.0.x series? --- ## #20714 — Edin Kadribasic — 2005-11-28T11:42:48+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/20708#20714 · In reply to: #20711 Lester Caine wrote: > But is not available for windows yet :( > In the meantime I am still receiving 'complaints' from people who have > only just switched to 5.0.5 - and now their sites don't work - As well > as people WHO I HAVE TOLD NOT TO USE 5.1 who - can't get my code to run > on it. > > *PLEASE* put something in BIG WRITING on the download page so that the > ordinary users know what is going on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't be impatient, 5.1.1 is being released later today. If you really are that impatient you can download win32 binary at http://www.php.net/distributions/php-5.1.1-Win32.zip Edin --- ## #20715 — Lester Caine — 2005-11-28T12:01:41+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/20708#20715 · In reply to: #20714 Edin You are missing my point - I'd rather STOP people downloading the stuff that is CAUSING problems everywhere !!! I am still playing catchup with 5.0.5 and now there ase 'complaints' on various forums that some package does not work with 5.1 - do I now fix that - since people are NOT accepting that PHP will be fixed !!! We KNOW what the problems are, but it's people like me who are getting it in the neck because *MY* software does not work. When it's not actually MY fault that is has been broken yet again. I did not write the original code I am just trying to keep it working !!! -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services Treasurer - Firebird Foundation Inc. --- ## #20716 — Antony Dovgal — 2005-11-28T12:14:11+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/20708#20716 · In reply to: #20715 > Edin > > You are missing my point - I'd rather STOP people downloading the stuff > that is CAUSING problems everywhere !!! > > I am still playing catchup with 5.0.5 and now there ase 'complaints' on > various forums that some package does not work with 5.1 - do I now fix > that - since people are NOT accepting that PHP will be fixed !!! > > We KNOW what the problems are, but it's people like me who are getting > it in the neck because *MY* software does not work. When it's not > actually MY fault that is has been broken yet again. I did not write the > original code I am just trying to keep it working !!! I'm pretty sure you had a lot of time to test *YOUR* software with release candidates and figure out if it's ready for 5.1 or not before the release. And please, when you say "it has been broken yet again", explain what do you mean by that. Thanks. -- Wbr, Antony Dovgal --- ## #20717 — Lester Caine — 2005-11-28T12:35:46+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/20708#20717 · In reply to: #20716 Antony Dovgal wrote: > > > > […] > > I'm pretty sure you had a lot of time to test *YOUR* software with > release candidates and figure out if it's ready for 5.1 or not before > the release. The simple answer to that is *NO* - we know that anything using PEAR::Date will bauk, but at present I'm still working on reparing packages that fail under 5.0.5 I've told users NOT to use 5.1 but that does not stop them - does it ? Then they complain when things we have told them will not work - don't ! > And please, when you say "it has been broken yet again", explain what do > you mean by that. Exactly what I have said - I'm still fixing 5.0.5 problems - now in packages like PHPDocumentor - which no one else seems to be addressing. Will PHPDocumentor work with 5.1 - I don't know, but as of today I have a copy that runs on 5.0.5 - but don't know yet if I have all of the problems fixed :( And then there are the people who need the 5.0.5 fixes to PHPDocumentor so that it will work with PHP4.4.? -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services Treasurer - Firebird Foundation Inc. --- ## #20718 — Antony Dovgal — 2005-11-28T12:53:36+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/20708#20718 · In reply to: #20717 > Antony Dovgal wrote: > > > […] > > The simple answer to that is *NO* - we know that anything using > PEAR::Date will bauk, but at present I'm still working on reparing > packages that fail under 5.0.5 "NO" what? No, you didn't have a chance to test it with RCs? Or no, you didn't even try to test it? Didn't get it, sorry.. > I've told users NOT to use 5.1 but that does not stop them - does it ? > Then they complain when things we have told them will not work - don't ! Erm.. Your code doesn't work with 5.1 and has some problems with 5.0, right? So maybe it's better to tell them not to use your code? Or at least to declare officially "THIS CODE WORKS WITH PHP4 ONLY, DON'T EVEN TRY IT WITH PHP5". The latter seems to be the best option to me. Why to blame PHP instead ? > Exactly what I have said - I'm still fixing 5.0.5 problems - now in > packages like PHPDocumentor - which no one else seems to be addressing. > Will PHPDocumentor work with 5.1 - I don't know, but as of today I have > a copy that runs on 5.0.5 - but don't know yet if I have all of the > problems fixed :( > And then there are the people who need the 5.0.5 fixes to PHPDocumentor > so that it will work with PHP4.4.? AFAIR you were told several times that there are branches in CVS and it's pointless to try to make the code compatible with all possible PHP versions. Make a branch and separate PEAR for 5.x and PEAR for 4.x. This way you won't have to make the same code work with PHP5 and PHP4. -- Wbr, Antony Dovgal --- ## #20719 — Pierre — 2005-11-28T12:58:43+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/20708#20719 · In reply to: #20717 On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:35:46 +0000 lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) wrote: > > […] > > Exactly what I have said - I'm still fixing 5.0.5 problems - now in > packages like PHPDocumentor - which no one else seems to be > addressing. Will PHPDocumentor work with 5.1 - I don't know, but as > of today I have a copy that runs on 5.0.5 - but don't know yet if I > have all of the problems fixed :( > And then there are the people who need the 5.0.5 fixes to > PHPDocumentor so that it will work with PHP4.4.? Expecting a software working smoothly (I mean perfectly) on both php4 and php5 is a sweet dream. PHPDocumentor is maintained and its developers answer quickly, Greg recently asked for tests on pear.qa, I did not see you there, did you even try to report bugs? contact them? Anyway, this list is not a place to discuss such problems. --Pierre --- ## #20720 — Lester Caine — 2005-11-28T13:35:08+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/20708#20720 · In reply to: #20718 Antony Dovgal wrote: > Erm.. > Your code doesn't work with 5.1 and has some problems with 5.0, right? > So maybe it's better to tell them not to use your code? > Or at least to declare officially "THIS CODE WORKS WITH PHP4 ONLY, DON'T > EVEN TRY IT WITH PHP5". > The latter seems to be the best option to me. > Why to blame PHP instead ? Antony First - I have never used anything other than PHP5 since the release candidates of 5.0. It is other people who seem to expect my code to work with PHP4 despite being told it has not been designed to. A lot of the core stuff has been imported from PHP4 and tidied up or uses third party packages that are supposed to work with PHP5. Most of the reference problems introduced by 5.0.5 were tracked to third party packages ( like ADOdb ) and then need checking against the applications. Now we are getting complaints about 5.1 but I can not tell you what the problem is because I will wait for 5.1.1 now myself. It is supporting ADOdb and other libraries that means I need to be aware of PHP4 compatibility ( and Pierre I have had no reply to posts about PHPDocumentor but have posted fixes to people who contacted me direct - there has been no change to the files section of phpdocumentor since April04 - I need something more up to date, but it works while Doxygen does not produce as tidy an output and needs a complete re-write of all comments to use it :( ) I am not blaming, I am just trying to recover an already difficult situation which is not being helped by the fact that this is the second time an 'update' has caused problems. Even though this time people apparently know what the problems are :( -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services Treasurer - Firebird Foundation Inc. --- ## #20727 — Piotr Roszatycki — 2005-11-28T15:57:58+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/20708#20727 · In reply to: #20712 Dnia Monday 28 of November 2005 12:13, Bastian Grupe napisał: > My primary concern is that 5.0.5 still consists some (in 5.1 resolved) > bugs and security holes. > > Since it is unlikely to assume that people will move to 5.1.1 > immediately IMO there should be a 5.0.6 with the current fixes. From ISP's point of view: The people utilises application written for PHP5. Many of applications was broken with PHP 5.0.5, some of them was adapted to new OOP, so ISP should provide separate PHP interpreters: one with PHP 5.0.4 engine, the other with PHP 5.0.5 engine. I.e. I'm providing the `php5.0.4' packages with last "good" OOP and `php5.0' packages for current 5.0.x series. The PHP 5.1 brings new BC breaks, so I'm afraid the 5.0.x version have to be still available, so I'm looking for 5.0.5 (or 5.0.6?). -- .''`. Piotr Roszatycki, Netia SA : :' : mailto:Piotr_Roszatycki@netia.net.pl `. `' mailto:dexter@debian.org `