# SimpleXML marked as EXPERIMENTAL - Thread: https://externals.io/message/13969 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/13969 - Started by Andi Gutmans on 2004-12-01T16:09:37+00:00 - Messages: 14 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #13969 — Andi Gutmans — 2004-12-01T16:09:37+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#13969 Hi, Is there a reason why SimpleXML is marked as experimental in the PHP documentation? EXPERIMENTAL status was removed from the source tree a few months ago. Andi --- ## #13970 — Sean Coates — 2004-12-01T22:41:32+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#13970 · In reply to: #13969 It was probably just overlooked? I'll remove EXPERIMENTAL status, unless someone speaks up. S Andi Gutmans wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a reason why SimpleXML is marked as experimental in the PHP > documentation? EXPERIMENTAL status was removed from the source tree a > few months ago. > > Andi --- ## #13971 — Andi Gutmans — 2004-12-01T22:47:48+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#13971 · In reply to: #13969 Thanks. At 05:41 PM 12/1/2004 -0500, Sean Coates wrote: >It was probably just overlooked? > >I'll remove EXPERIMENTAL status, unless someone speaks up. > >S > >Andi Gutmans wrote: > > […] --- ## #13972 — Marcus Boerger — 2004-12-01T22:59:57+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#13972 · In reply to: #13969 Hello Andi, Wednesday, December 1, 2004, 5:09:37 PM, you wrote: > Hi, > Is there a reason why SimpleXML is marked as experimental in the PHP > documentation? EXPERIMENTAL status was removed from the source tree a few > months ago. No, we simply forgot to drop that. Best regards, Marcus mailto:helly@php.net --- ## #13973 — Friedhelm Betz — 2004-12-02T01:18:08+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#13973 · In reply to: #13970 Hi, > It was probably just overlooked? > > I'll remove EXPERIMENTAL status, unless someone speaks up. > > S > > Andi Gutmans wrote: > > > […] As long as we are in "dropping EXPERIMENTAL Mode": Shouldn't we drop EXPERIMENTAL from php4 domxml living in PECL? AFAIRC once Cgristian Stocker said, it is stable, obviously no API changes will happen etc. Any reason not to drop EXPERIMENTAL from docs and pecl source for domxml? Friedhelm --- ## #13975 — Marcus Boerger — 2004-12-02T07:17:32+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#13975 · In reply to: #13973 Hello Friedhelm, Thursday, December 2, 2004, 2:18:08 AM, you wrote: > Hi, > > […] > As long as we are in "dropping EXPERIMENTAL Mode": > Shouldn't we drop EXPERIMENTAL from php4 domxml living in PECL? > AFAIRC once Cgristian Stocker said, it is stable, obviously no API > changes will happen etc. > Any reason not to drop EXPERIMENTAL from docs and pecl source for domxml? Please don't drop it there because that would sooner or later mean that people will start using it a lot. The idea was to drop domxml once we have dom - we have dom now. -- Best regards, Marcus mailto:helly@php.net --- ## #13985 — Friedhelm Betz — 2004-12-02T17:48:18+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#13985 · In reply to: #13975 Hi Marcus, > Hello Friedhelm, > > Thursday, December 2, 2004, 2:18:08 AM, you wrote: > > > > […] > > > > […] > > > > […] > > > Please don't drop it there because that would sooner or later mean that > people will start using it a lot. The idea was to drop domxml once we > have dom - we have dom now. Is your POV, that you don't want people to use domxml with php4? If so, the EXPERIMENTAL tag for php4 should stay to hinder people using domxml with php4? My impression was to use the EXPERIMENTAL tag for 'unstable' features, not to hinder people to use a feature. domxml is php4 only and not longer in the packages for php5, because it was moved to pecl and is deprecated for php5. One has to take extra steps to use domxml with php 5. That said, I can't imagine people start using php 5 with domxml, they would use dom. Simple question: Is domxml still experimental? I think no ;-) From the archives: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-dev&m=109358625722096&w=2 Regards Friedhelm --- ## #13986 — Christian Stocker — 2004-12-02T18:26:31+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#13986 · In reply to: #13985 > Hi Marcus, > > > […] > > > Is your POV, that you don't want people to use domxml with php4? > If so, the EXPERIMENTAL tag for php4 should stay to hinder people using > domxml with php4? My impression was to use the EXPERIMENTAL tag for > 'unstable' features, not to hinder people to use a feature. > > domxml is php4 only and not longer in the packages for php5, because it > was moved to pecl and is deprecated for php5. One has to take extra > steps to use domxml with php 5. That said, I can't imagine people start > using php 5 with domxml, they would use dom. You can't use domxml with php5. Doesn't work, AFAIK (actually, I never tested it, but I doubt it'll work...). And certainly doesn't work alongside dom... > Simple question: Is domxml still experimental? I think no ;-) > From the archives: > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-dev&m=109358625722096&w=2 It's not experimantal anymore in the sense of API changes. (Known) Bugs are not there, the limitations are in the implementation, which was fixed with dom in php5. I use it (domxml) a lot on my servers and doesn't cause any problems (anymore ;) ) I don't care a lot about the topic. IMHO, we can remove the experimental tag. Maybe add a warning, that it's not available in PHP 5 anymore and that it's not compatible with ext/dom. chregu > > Regards > Friedhelm > -- christian stocker | Bitflux GmbH | schoeneggstrasse 5 | ch-8004 zurich phone +41 1 240 56 70 | mobile +41 76 561 88 60 | fax +41 1 240 56 71 http://www.bitflux.ch | chregu@bitflux.ch | gnupg-keyid 0x5CE1DECB --- ## #13989 — Marcus Boerger — 2004-12-03T00:08:46+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#13989 · In reply to: #13986 Hello Christian, Thursday, December 2, 2004, 7:26:31 PM, you wrote: > It's not experimantal anymore in the sense of API changes. (Known) Bugs > are not there, the limitations are in the implementation, which was > fixed with dom in php5. I use it (domxml) a lot on my servers and > doesn't cause any problems (anymore ;) ) > I don't care a lot about the topic. IMHO, we can remove the experimental > tag. Maybe add a warning, that it's not available in PHP 5 anymore and > that it's not compatible with ext/dom. Your the guy that counts here :-) From reading the list the general whish seems to drop experimental tag and simply state that it won't never be available with PHP 5 which also includes that we'd not apply a deprecation flag. best regards marcus --- ## #13993 — Christian Stocker — 2004-12-03T07:20:33+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#13993 · In reply to: #13989 > Hello Christian, > > Thursday, December 2, 2004, 7:26:31 PM, you wrote: > > > > […] > > > > […] > > > Your the guy that counts here :-) hehe ;) > > From reading the list the general whish seems to drop experimental tag > and simply state that it won't never be available with PHP 5 which also > includes that we'd not apply a deprecation flag. Ok. There was no real argument against not removing the EXPERIMENTAL tag and IMHO it isn't experimental anyway since 4.3.0, when the last big changes happened. Therefore I'll remove it, if noone speaks up. The other question is, should this be done already for 4.3.10 or just afterwards? chregu -- christian stocker | Bitflux GmbH | schoeneggstrasse 5 | ch-8004 zurich phone +41 1 240 56 70 | mobile +41 76 561 88 60 | fax +41 1 240 56 71 http://www.bitflux.ch | chregu@bitflux.ch | gnupg-keyid 0x5CE1DECB --- ## #13998 — Marcus Boerger — 2004-12-03T18:23:22+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#13998 · In reply to: #13993 Hello Christian, Friday, December 3, 2004, 8:20:33 AM, you wrote: > Ok. There was no real argument against not removing the EXPERIMENTAL tag > and IMHO it isn't experimental anyway since 4.3.0, when the last big > changes happened. Therefore I'll remove it, if noone speaks up. > The other question is, should this be done already for 4.3.10 or just > afterwards? I think yes but ask Ilia :-) -- Best regards, Marcus mailto:helly@php.net --- ## #13999 — Ilia Alshanetsky — 2004-12-03T18:24:50+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#13999 · In reply to: #13998 I have no objection to removing the Experimental tag from the extension, in fact I welcome this change. Ilia Marcus Boerger wrote: > Hello Christian, > > Friday, December 3, 2004, 8:20:33 AM, you wrote: > > > > […] > > > > […] > > > I think yes but ask Ilia :-) --- ## #14000 — Christian Stocker — 2004-12-03T20:45:15+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#14000 · In reply to: #13999 > I have no objection to removing the Experimental tag from the extension, > in fact I welcome this change. Already done. It's gone. After almost 4 years ;) chregu > > Ilia > > Marcus Boerger wrote: > > > […] > -- christian stocker | Bitflux GmbH | schoeneggstrasse 5 | ch-8004 zurich phone +41 1 240 56 70 | mobile +41 76 561 88 60 | fax +41 1 240 56 71 http://www.bitflux.ch | chregu@bitflux.ch | gnupg-keyid 0x5CE1DECB --- ## #14001 — Sean Coates — 2004-12-03T23:54:11+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/13969#14001 · In reply to: #14000 FYI, I've removed the experimental tags from the docs, as well. For both domxml and simplexml. S > Already done. > > It's gone. After almost 4 years ;) > > chregu