# [RFC] [Discussion] Recommend PIE and deprecate PECL - Thread: https://externals.io/message/128536 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/128536 - Started by James Titcumb on 2025-08-23T07:41:26+00:00 - Messages: 9 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #128536 — James Titcumb — 2025-08-23T07:41:26+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/128536#128536 Folks, Presenting the RFC for deprecating PECL and adopting PIE as the recommended extension installer for PHP: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/adopt_pie_deprecate_pecl Plan to move to vote on or shortly after 6th September. Thanks James --- ## #128537 — Derick Rethans — 2025-08-23T07:56:16+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/128536#128537 · In reply to: #128536 >Folks, > >Presenting the RFC for deprecating PECL and adopting PIE as the recommended >extension installer for PHP: > >https://wiki.php.net/rfc/adopt_pie_deprecate_pecl > >Plan to move to vote on or shortly after 6th September. Yes please. cheers Derick --- ## #128538 — Alexandre Daubois — 2025-08-23T08:33:50+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/128536#128538 · In reply to: #128536 Le sam. 23 août 2025 à 09:42, James Titcumb a écrit : > > Folks, > > Presenting the RFC for deprecating PECL and adopting PIE as the recommended extension installer for PHP: > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/adopt_pie_deprecate_pecl > > Plan to move to vote on or shortly after 6th September. > > Thanks > James Hi James, Really nice, congrats on bringing the tool to the "finish line"! Best, Alexandre Daubois --- ## #128544 — Ben Ramsey — 2025-08-24T17:19:29+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/128536#128544 · In reply to: #128536 > Folks, > > Presenting the RFC for deprecating PECL and adopting PIE as the > recommended extension installer for PHP: > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/adopt_pie_deprecate_pecl > > Plan to move to vote on or shortly after 6th September. > > Thanks > James > “A link to the PIE GitHub repository is recommended to provide a call to action to the user.” I think it might be better to set up a page at php.net/pie to link folks to, and this page can link to the repository. Cheers, Ben --- ## #128549 — Derick Rethans — 2025-08-25T07:38:55+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/128536#128549 · In reply to: #128544 > > > > […] > > >“A link to the PIE GitHub repository is recommended to provide a call to >action to the user.” > >I think it might be better to set up a page at php.net/pie to link folks >to, and this page can link to the repository. > >Cheers, >Ben Ideally we have a page in the docs like this, , for which we then can setup a short url (which we should also do for /composer). Happy to help with this. cheers Derick --- ## #128556 — tim@bastelstu.be — 2025-08-26T13:46:51+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/128536#128556 · In reply to: #128549 Hi Am 2025-08-25 09:38, schrieb Derick Rethans: > Ideally we have a page in the docs like this, > , for which > we then can setup a short url (which we should also do for /composer). In fact there's already a mention of PECL extensions in the same section that mentions both the pecl tool (https://www.php.net/manual/en/install.pecl.pear.php), as well as manual phpize (https://www.php.net/manual/en/install.pecl.phpize.php). Adding a PIE subsection to that makes sense to me. Best regards Tim Düsterhus --- ## #128612 — James Titcumb — 2025-09-03T18:42:58+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/128536#128612 · In reply to: #128536 Folks, Quick update on this. I've amended the wording slightly to be more general about linking to docs; the official docs can be updated accordingly and IMO doesn't need an RFC; that will be done in time! Assuming no further feedback/discussion, I'll start the vote on or shortly after 6th September. Thanks James > Folks, > > Presenting the RFC for deprecating PECL and adopting PIE as the > recommended extension installer for PHP: > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/adopt_pie_deprecate_pecl > > Plan to move to vote on or shortly after 6th September. > > Thanks > James --- ## #128613 — Jakub Zelenka — 2025-09-03T18:53:51+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/128536#128613 · In reply to: #128536 Hi, On Sat, Aug 23, 2025 at 9:43 AM James Titcumb wrote: > Folks, > > Presenting the RFC for deprecating PECL and adopting PIE as the > recommended extension installer for PHP: > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/adopt_pie_deprecate_pecl > > +1 on this in general. The only thing that might be worth to consider is what to do with prefixing of extension repos that we currently have in PHP GH org. Should that be also deprecated and should we make clear that we are not going to add more of those pecl-* repos and maybe at some point try to move them out of php GH org? Cheers Jakub --- ## #128614 — James Titcumb — 2025-09-03T19:20:03+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/128536#128614 · In reply to: #128613 Jakub, I think the conclusion we came to was that existing PECL extensions may use the `pecl/` vendor, but new extns should use their own vendor. We can probably just add that to the PIE docs for clarity, rather than use the RFC process. Thanks James > Hi, > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2025 at 9:43 AM James Titcumb > wrote: > > > […] > +1 on this in general. > > The only thing that might be worth to consider is what to do with > prefixing of extension repos that we currently have in PHP GH org. Should > that be also deprecated and should we make clear that we are not going to > add more of those pecl-* repos and maybe at some point try to move them out > of php GH org? > > Cheers > > Jakub