# Using PECL without installing PEAR - Thread: https://externals.io/message/107787 - Original archive: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/107787 - Started by Matthieu Napoli on 2019-11-13T16:43:36+00:00 - Messages: 9 - Reply by email to internals@lists.php.net - More for agents: search with https://externals.io/search.md?q={query} · RFCs at https://externals.io/rfc.md · JSON API at https://externals.io/api · documentation at https://externals.io/llms.txt --- ## #107787 — Matthieu Napoli — 2019-11-13T16:43:36+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/107787#107787 Hi all, Following a discussion with Nikita, I understood that [installing PEAR with PHP is deprecated](https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/PHP-7.4/UPGRADING#L98-L101 ). However, installing PEAR is necessary for PECL to work (it uses PEAR). I started having a look at what could be done to use PECL without PEAR. This lead me to the following question: as a first step, would it make sense to provide PECL as a self-contained PHAR? That way users can download the PHAR and avoid install PEAR. Following that we can have a look at trimming the PECL package, but the PHAR would be a first step. Thanks Matthieu --- ## #107788 — Ben Ramsey — 2019-11-13T17:21:11+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/107787#107788 · In reply to: #107787 > > > Hi all, > > Following a discussion with Nikita, I understood that [installing PEAR with PHP is deprecated](https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/PHP-7.4/UPGRADING#L98-L101 ). > However, installing PEAR is necessary for PECL to work (it uses PEAR). > > I started having a look at what could be done to use PECL without PEAR. This lead me to the following question: as a first step, would it make sense to provide PECL as a self-contained PHAR? > That way users can download the PHAR and avoid install PEAR. Following that we can have a look at trimming the PECL package, but the PHAR would be a first step. > > Thanks > > Matthieu What’s the status of the pickle installer? It doesn’t look like it’s been touched since 2017. https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/pickle I thought that was a promising project. Did it work well? Were there problems? Cheers, Ben --- ## #107789 — Christoph M. Becker — 2019-11-13T17:33:12+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/107787#107789 · In reply to: #107787 > Following a discussion with Nikita, I understood that [installing PEAR with PHP is deprecated](https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/PHP-7.4/UPGRADING#L98-L101 ). > However, installing PEAR is necessary for PECL to work (it uses PEAR). > > I started having a look at what could be done to use PECL without PEAR. This lead me to the following question: as a first step, would it make sense to provide PECL as a self-contained PHAR? > That way users can download the PHAR and avoid install PEAR. Following that we can have a look at trimming the PECL package, but the PHAR would be a first step. Are you looking for ? -- Christoph M. Becker --- ## #107790 — Christoph M. Becker — 2019-11-13T17:52:15+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/107787#107790 > > […] Well, these are the PEAR installers. After downloading and running, you have a working PEAR/PECL installation. That's basically what --with-pear does. -- Christoph M. Becker --- ## #107791 — Matthieu Napoli — 2019-11-13T18:04:07+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/107787#107791 · In reply to: #107790 > Le 13 nov. 2019 à 18:52, Christoph M. Becker a écrit : > > > > > […] > > Well, these are the PEAR installers. After downloading and running, you > have a working PEAR/PECL installation. That's basically what > --with-pear does. > > -- > Christoph M. Becker Thanks. Then that is not what we are looking for: the goal is to be able to use PECL without having to install PEAR. --- ## #107798 — Nikita Popov — 2019-11-15T14:40:41+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/107787#107798 · In reply to: #107787 > Hi all, > > Following a discussion with Nikita, I understood that [installing PEAR > with PHP is deprecated]( > https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/PHP-7.4/UPGRADING#L98-L101 < > https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/PHP-7.4/UPGRADING#L98-L101>). > However, installing PEAR is necessary for PECL to work (it uses PEAR). > > I started having a look at what could be done to use PECL without PEAR. > This lead me to the following question: as a first step, would it make > sense to provide PECL as a self-contained PHAR? > That way users can download the PHAR and avoid install PEAR. Following > that we can have a look at trimming the PECL package, but the PHAR would be > a first step. > > Thanks > > Matthieu I think that makes sense. The only thing we really want/need from PEAR is the "pecl" command, and having a single self-contained phar for that would be much better than requiring a global PEAR installation, and allow us to change the underlying implementation more easily in the future. Nikita --- ## #107799 — Pierre Joye — 2019-11-15T15:03:32+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/107787#107799 · In reply to: #107798 > On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 5:44 PM Matthieu Napoli > wrote: > > > […] > be > > […] > > > I think that makes sense. The only thing we really want/need from PEAR is > the "pecl" command, and having a single self-contained phar for that would > be much better than requiring a global PEAR installation, and allow us to > change the underlying implementation more easily in the future. > Also if there is an interest I can give back some love to Pickle ( https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/pickle) and ensure it works smoothly up to php master or 7.4/7.4+1. The phar releases support pecl.php.net, github or any git/directory install of extensions. Best, Pierre --- ## #107801 — Matthieu Napoli — 2019-11-15T16:58:40+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/107787#107801 · In reply to: #107799 > Le 15 nov. 2019 à 16:03, Pierre Joye a écrit : > > > > > > […] > > > I think that makes sense. The only thing we really want/need from PEAR is > the "pecl" command, and having a single self-contained phar for that would > be much better than requiring a global PEAR installation, and allow us to > change the underlying implementation more easily in the future. > > > Also if there is an interest I can give back some love to Pickle (https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/pickle) and ensure it works smoothly up to php master or 7.4/7.4+1. The phar releases support pecl.php.net, github or any git/directory install of extensions. > > Best, > Pierre Hi Pierre, I spent some time on Pickle as well. The thing isn't maintained, the tests do not pass, I had a hard time doing anything. I still tried to fix most of the tests here: https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/pickle/pull/164 but I didn't manage to make the CI green. Removing HHVM support did make the code much cleaner, and I think I can help as well but I am afraid that nobody will merge anything. If you get the project going again that could be great. One main thing that could help is listing what's missing. In other words, I don't know what to do. If Pickle works already and just need a green test suite and a new version, then maybe we can start with that and then advertise it as a viable replacement to PEAR? Matthieu --- ## #107802 — Pierre Joye — 2019-11-15T17:05:10+00:00 URL: https://externals.io/message/107787#107802 · In reply to: #107801 > > > […] > wrote: > > […] > would be > > […] > would > > […] > https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/pickle) and ensure it works smoothly up > to php master or 7.4/7.4+1. The phar releases support pecl.php.net, > github or any git/directory install of extensions. > > […] > > Hi Pierre, > I spent some time on Pickle as well. The thing isn't maintained, the tests > do not pass, I had a hard time doing anything. I still tried to fix most of > the tests here: https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/pickle/pull/164 but I > didn't manage to make the CI green. Removing HHVM support did make the code > much cleaner, and I think I can help as well but I am afraid that nobody > will merge anything. Let me check the PR and merge them this weekend :) If you get the project going again that could be great. > I would be more than happy to see it running. I am lacking time but I can have some hours here and there to help. One main thing that could help is listing what's missing. In other words, I > don't know what to do. > See below, the big selling point is to get it to work together with composer. I did a PR back then but we decided it should be done another way, which we need to figure out :) If Pickle works already and just need a green test suite and a new version, > then maybe we can start with that and then advertise it as a viable > replacement to PEAR? > I created it and then a few took over most of the devs, and yes, it is thought to fully replace pear/pecl as well as a better together works with composer (need work on their side but Jordi and I need to sit down to get it done :) > Matthieu