Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:99953 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 5599 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2017 20:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Jul 2017 20:54:40 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=me@kelunik.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=me@kelunik.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain kelunik.com from 81.169.146.216 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: me@kelunik.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 81.169.146.216 mo4-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de Received: from [81.169.146.216] ([81.169.146.216:35263] helo=mo4-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6B/FF-02884-D07CF695 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:54:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1500497674; l=2892; s=domk; d=kelunik.com; h=Content-Type:Cc:To:Subject:Date:From:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version; bh=zMkBj/s8tbfZFUkTF1tEsZy/czLs/xY3C5xoGeM24LI=; b=l1C+xsccUSEv3cHLusc5sVpJ1gl7gxt3e5bL0HOwrO1zUhRVa4VKawDpwPHOj/A3PN AxE24F362nb+/QcDEE0sO4xtslFzcNNe4+oiys7MRY7InOKsY0FBM/ZIlYNC73lOdZHC Hj43+18Kpz6v/uL26nUHq3n6SSByxhodoUGXM= X-RZG-AUTH: :IWkkfkWkbvHsXQGmRYmUo9mls2vWuiu+7SLDup6E67mzuoNHBqX/3Q== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: by mail-oi0-f47.google.com with SMTP id p188so11553271oia.0 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:54:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw111N7Q3G4gFSsicTxr26DfCwpPSqPSygKRcBjQ6ASZ4JsQ+wyRGH Q3OUv9zaOC8VYXokxp8bt+wlQyb5uQ== X-Received: by 10.202.241.10 with SMTP id p10mr3229443oih.56.1500497673471; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:54:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.74.154.177 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:54:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <78DFA5C9-5C49-4B75-8FC0-C0945FD85694@heigl.org> <25A76EC4-23CB-47BC-AB28-B2C563F9A18F@heigl.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 22:54:32 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Sara Golemon Cc: Andreas Heigl , Mathias Grimm , "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0933a8d055b40554b1d6ef" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] php.net website From: me@kelunik.com (Niklas Keller) --94eb2c0933a8d055b40554b1d6ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > And for my $0.02, I agree with Andreas. Caesar's wife must be beyond > reproach, and quite frankly there is plenty that can be done to > beautify/update the web-php codebase that doesn't involve frameworks. > *cough*globals*cough*. > > In fact, if you want to start with a more constrained problem space, > web-bugs has fewer variables and build steps and is in greater need of > updates (the main site having been revamped much more recently). While I can understand the argument, I don't agree with it. It's fine for the main website which is indeed mostly static and could be an actual static website, but I think web-bugs could really benefit from some libraries being used. There's no need for a framework, but libraries are really helpful. And I understand people might say "php.net uses that", but honestly, does anybody use Dokuwiki because we use that for wiki.php.net? We should use whatever works. Quite a lot of libraries / components are well-tested and maintained, I don't see why we should roll our own if we need such functionality. Regards, Niklas --94eb2c0933a8d055b40554b1d6ef--