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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 22:47:25 +0200
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To: Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net>
Cc: Andreas Heigl <andreas@heigl.org>, "internals@lists.php.net" <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] php.net website
From: mathiasgrimm@gmail.com (Mathias Grimm)

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Bugs could be good thing as well.
What the case with the bugs?

For the php.net I think it could actually be worthy generating html.
But as I said, the idea is to make the code readable again, be it with a
framework or not.
Having all that html mixed with php + globals is really bad. Even if we
wanted to get a designer to help on the website it would be really hard.
It can be a very static php and still be more organised. A basic MVC
doesn't hurt




On 19 July 2017 at 22:21, Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Andreas Heigl <andreas@heigl.org> wrote:
> > I personally strongly disagree with that approach. Most of the pages on
> > php.net are static pages. And those few that aren't can be well
> addressed
> > with their own script and within that vanillaPHP-script the task can be
> > solved. IMO there is no need for routing or an HTTP-Stack. And it shows
> that
> > we - even in 2017 still know how to build a basic PHP-site.  The entry
> > barrier is absolutely low as no framework/library knowledge is necessar=
y
> and
> > the scripts can be easily analysed from start to end. As there are - du=
e
> to
> > the mirrored setup - no DB-queries or sessions or any other more comple=
x
> > stuff going on we should keep it simple and stupid.
> >
> > But thats - as I said - just my 0.02=E2=82=AC
> >
> And for my $0.02, I agree with Andreas.  Caesar's wife must be beyond
> reproach, and quite frankly there is plenty that can be done to
> beautify/update the web-php codebase that doesn't involve frameworks.
> *cough*globals*cough*.
>
> In fact, if you want to start with a more constrained problem space,
> web-bugs has fewer variables and build steps and is in greater need of
> updates (the main site having been revamped much more recently).
>
> -Sara
>

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