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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Extensions License
From: christopher.jones@oracle.com (Christopher Jones)



On 15/6/17 10:34 pm, Johannes Schlüter wrote:
> On Do, 2017-06-15 at 11:06 +0200, Nikita Popov wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Remi Collet <remi@fedoraproject.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> All extensions in php-src are PHP 3.01 Licensed
>>> (libs may, of course, have different license)
>>>
>>> Is there any strong rule about this ?
>>> Or is it OK to have a BSD Licensed extension ?
>>>
>>> Context: see sodium PR
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_php_php-2Dsrc_pull_2560&d=DwIDaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lLpUdeB4xTiOOWD6yGzxPFv2SHvPzg3yLT7kvD-ZfyU&m=GT6MkgICJHeF19FAbAaTtuH4St0KJibc9P1oLj7395Y&s=VGZgqeH18gkOkITtpv0ZRNfFvmlvCHdsjJ13Zu2yIv4&e=
>>>
>>>
>>> IMHO, make sense to have only PHP Licensed ext.
>>>
>> I think we should allow BSD/MIT licenses, as they are compatible with
>> and
>> less restrictive than the PHP license. TBH, the PHP license seems
>> somewhat
>> dubious when applied to extensions, as most of the additional clauses
>> are
>> simply not applicable (extensions do not bundle the Zend Engine and
>> extensions have no control over the PHP group or the PHP name).
>>

What about the Apache 2 license?

I'd like to be able to include the ODPI-C library code [1] in PDO_OCI and/or OCI8.
It is being used for Python cx_Oracle [2] and Node.js node-oracledb [3].
ODPI-C is under a dual license, one of which is Apache 2.

> Mind: The PHP License[1]  doesn't talk about the Zend engine, but "PHP
> Software", "PHP Software" is, since PHP License 3.01 compared to PHP
> License 3.0 defined as PEAR, PECL and PHP on [2]
>
> The "this software includes the ZendEngine" thing in the PHP
> distribution's license file[3] is not part of the PHP License, but a
> requirement for the PHP product, which includes the Zend Engine
> product, which is licensed under the Zend Engine License[4].
>
> According to the most legal interpretations I know (IANAL ... ask two
> lawyers, get three answers ...) a BSD-licensed extension bundled in PHP
> would be relicensed under PHP license "automatically" when being
> distributed as part of the PHP product.

IANAL-too, and haven't talked to one about this - but will one day.

> I however think it makes sense to license all bundled extensions as PHP
> license with copyright PHP Group as this simplifies moving code around
> (i.e. if a BSD licensed extension contains some nice macro which might
> be useful to put into main/ this is simpler from a stricter legal pov
> if it's the same license)

True.

Chris

[1] https://github.com/oracle/odpi
[2] https://github.com/oracle/python-cx_Oracle
[3] https://github.com/oracle/node-oracledb/tree/dev-2.0
>
> johannes
>
> [1] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__php.net_license_3-5F01.txt&d=DwIDaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lLpUdeB4xTiOOWD6yGzxPFv2SHvPzg3yLT7kvD-ZfyU&m=GT6MkgICJHeF19FAbAaTtuH4St0KJibc9P1oLj7395Y&s=7x6vjEasY6oe1GzH9OXDBE3pXyveWOz8ls3sXtwy1vw&e=
> [2] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__php.net_software.php&d=DwIDaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lLpUdeB4xTiOOWD6yGzxPFv2SHvPzg3yLT7kvD-ZfyU&m=GT6MkgICJHeF19FAbAaTtuH4St0KJibc9P1oLj7395Y&s=g1dWNiQpuE2RR-lswQmJXYYD_zwkAzYd1bVVRLXOVBw&e=
> [3] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__git.php.net_-3Fp-3Dphp-2Dsrc.git-3Ba-3Dblob-3Bf-3DLICENSE-3Bh-3D9964e0737cc9be&d=DwIDaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lLpUdeB4xTiOOWD6yGzxPFv2SHvPzg3yLT7kvD-ZfyU&m=GT6MkgICJHeF19FAbAaTtuH4St0KJibc9P1oLj7395Y&s=ZUqrUXKbNqC3ECQzQRCh6wTF8HWoWt18RInPHAMHcQM&e=
> 0521b056be697a5fbeb14d01ef;hb=refs/heads/master
> [4] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__git.php.net_-3Fp-3Dphp-2Dsrc.git-3Ba-3Dblob-3Bf-3DZend_LICENSE-3Bh-3D8acb9af4f&d=DwIDaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=lLpUdeB4xTiOOWD6yGzxPFv2SHvPzg3yLT7kvD-ZfyU&m=GT6MkgICJHeF19FAbAaTtuH4St0KJibc9P1oLj7395Y&s=3J0pO0pb7tkfrqMlrZeaJ729znnn2I8lQqGW_lIt51I&e=
> 8a589076f305c31501565a2cfe0f6ff;hb=refs/heads/master
>

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