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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index
From: davey@php.net (Davey Shafik)

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Pedro,

It would be best to just kill the vote and start over. The proposal should
be for deprecation notice in 7.2 and implementation in 8.0 IMO =E2=80=94 it=
 should
be one vote, as doing both together should be the only option.

- Davey

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Pedro Magalh=C3=A3es <mail@pmmaga.net> wro=
te:

> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Fran=C3=A7ois Laupretre <francois@php.net=
>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am sorry you take it this way. Voting today on a feature for 8.0
> > wouldn't be ridiculous and it would make me change my vote, as most
> others.
> > Instead of nonsense, it would be a sign of maturity for the PHP project=
.
> It
> > would be great, IMO, to open a 'Approved for 8.0' section on the RFC pa=
ge
> > now, and your RFC could proudly be the 1st one to enter it.
> >
>
> I agree with your suggestion and general sentiment so I propose to do the
> following:
>
>    - The current voting widget refers to introducing the change on 7.2.
>    (Will be mentioned on the RFC page)
>    - Add a new voting widget for introducing the change on 8.0.
>    - Extend the voting period for one more week than originally planned
>    until 27/6/2017 18:00 UTC.
>
> Additionally, since some people also mentioned the difficulty in detectin=
g
> this change, if the vote for 8.0 passes, I suggest to introduce a
> E_DEPRECATED notice where the implicit keys will change. You can see that
> implementation here:
> https://github.com/php/php-src/compare/master...pmmaga:
> negative-array-deprecated
> Would it make sense to include an extra voting widget for the introductio=
n
> of the notice?
>
> Given that we are on the voting phase I would oppose changing anything by
> principle, but given that most of the discussion on the topic only starte=
d
> when the vote was started and what is dividing the vote is the timing, I
> think it makes sense to update the RFC in this case. Let me know what you
> think.
>
> Thanks,
> Pedro
>

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