Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:99488 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 68477 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2017 22:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jun 2017 22:35:21 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=danack@basereality.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=danack@basereality.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain basereality.com from 209.85.192.176 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: danack@basereality.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.176 mail-pf0-f176.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.176] ([209.85.192.176:35753] helo=mail-pf0-f176.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4B/69-01593-6247C395 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 18:35:20 -0400 Received: by mail-pf0-f176.google.com with SMTP id l89so39420849pfi.2 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:35:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=basereality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tLjkNjLaaIWkEk1ZBCpQzruhQ41Ef1+vwqH4U/WQF7A=; b=stvoay7dhpkBP1apitkH3nFfswveGNeSS+tisItA+Kp6QcWf8hpbn9gtaWaSHQFD37 e9tjkMPaWR/uTLTaYaBuTNyad8SqHSkbTC556Ug7ATwU+ap8FfO400jT+tlRYKEL4Z1c oM/4L9y65+jUOO7SXLMGt0QuwYxBVtO4oCTvuhmQEhNfIXPLhPulPqws6ZZsaDIPb/Cw eO5FwsgG8XdLFaVg9NFD6kMBAfDfTU3wOQK4rS+gTqM0WOiDb11C7qDY7FJzhvDXyAJD AvECAXQBbO+BuOTjr4MhZc1bYxVBvsBYiONIgdND4LEA9jxFK4m3AUkMLCAeNBtEC3ry 8zTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tLjkNjLaaIWkEk1ZBCpQzruhQ41Ef1+vwqH4U/WQF7A=; b=sAlCmLHYHiT5uRFui/QK0zfT2aTY9q56gb1U05damlLibyatH8XQ5Ja2DQn73bcksM WTPMMWduAA+LLfIAOoX14odIWTbY2qbZy/ZsTyn4n0SLPeYEUmk273UYp4oqFLNKDB2u Gz7jhhCwH9mM/Ok0lkWKLwxec4Etidvn/l0Z8l/dec0uuYS5uf0hU6/psFYzLTpTp2Cr SEx39QP2UDP3P93/inqNbwR+c/GASGq0OP590i5ffnv5/gmXvvfOwRiev/7OKv77eMKW kE+G+KSzKNL5cNUf+yMuGpVH/PiKUM/2VrTj3a9DWYLqjuD7wUhApAag54Iv6tKrt+8o gJcg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOycpwO+ok5Vp7dgRZuUNfwWHjXs0v0A6zj2q26P08fzT080Ca0k eZq+PmtmYL+oTurX4rQZYYxCfgFsEjpZfkwZQg== X-Received: by 10.84.231.9 with SMTP id f9mr627595plk.5.1497134115934; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:35:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.168.4 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:35:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [77.99.17.151] In-Reply-To: <1975642a-957c-7946-0903-ab7afe46e1f4@fleshgrinder.com> References: <28ca1459-ceb4-872f-62a8-f0616f229ddb@fleshgrinder.com> <1975642a-957c-7946-0903-ab7afe46e1f4@fleshgrinder.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 23:35:15 +0100 Message-ID: To: Fleshgrinder Cc: php-internals , Niklas Keller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Class Naming From: danack@basereality.com (Dan Ackroyd) On 10 June 2017 at 21:57, Fleshgrinder wrote: > > This RFC is only "When collaborating with others =E2=80=93 especially when designers and programmers are part of the mix =E2=80=93 watch out for these dirty four letter words: Need Must Can=E2=80=99t Easy Just Only Fast" https://signalvnoise.com/posts/439-four-letter-words It's actually setting a rule for a project, that has gone 23 years without needing that rule, which doesn't sound completely trivial. > Hence, one week seems sensible. It doesn't seem sensible to me. The minimum discussion period is for when there is an urgent problem that ought to be addressed but there is disagreement about the best way to resolve it. We should be taking longer periods to think about committing to coding standards, rather than just the bare minimum. People (in general) have better things to do than read internals. Some of the discussions over the past couple of weeks have been even more demotivating than usual, which is probably one of the reasons why people haven't responded yet. > We can of course wait if there is a serious issue. We can of course wait anyway. This RFC isn't going to affect 7.2, so the first release it will affect is 7.3 - so we could wait 12 months to vote before it became critical. cheers Dan