Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:99482 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53682 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2017 19:29:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jun 2017 19:29:12 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.128.176 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.128.176 mail-wr0-f176.google.com Received: from [209.85.128.176] ([209.85.128.176:36262] helo=mail-wr0-f176.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 97/47-01593-8884C395 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:29:12 -0400 Received: by mail-wr0-f176.google.com with SMTP id v111so61001602wrc.3 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 12:29:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=5Xwn5XfeiOMgCE373VO1t4d2BjYP37cRvfbtPpylvh4=; b=p6qI9ErdbEd7Qt9YonI9L9bU1j+ubBa4E0r9TZa1JU23vApUdKKwTMtURe6Ahq3/HD Aa4PLSLLdED+MBxHX9bSqyrWQwBBkMOGaKl3MZ8AO4zUdViBgm/ZOyF/gJ2vELyzi829 aIltMP4pTAM0L9nkp4UYDMtv78kJSwz5PGXKobmaVZPP0+Abo6XBLsiau64qKh/jIAT6 ryr4+O+611oiP9MsdEGC7BlSXf5yTqF67CcmSQHMqj3ey36SRQ0AG4wpN5phXmR1UV2I vzAfLmSlLwwrjb6r2RvOtRz2+QIL/JTWQvNcj+uHxUf8ZqJjQVnVQwcZHcBiTEHMHQfc P6eg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=5Xwn5XfeiOMgCE373VO1t4d2BjYP37cRvfbtPpylvh4=; b=IsO4UAv6JYXiI8A2hdNjmLIN8D5Akbrwsp8lRH3deRMSAC6brUo4AUyY5EiLyxVHvj qmKivNHGlQJe/Ex7aN8ypRXF4PEZbxcltg+SRGFMVKp3BDiE8lvJurKXd7WZeamhZYw2 xnINl2WZyYEEpHFgPR5BSfW89kQU7ElN1A6IjHIOpKgw8/MxAQ3w0fGf4HirC3ykF9th wnD7jQzPJuCykkI9CIbGRDWhz/XYrYSEt0pQTJSanP5LFx+L/saiYqUT8HWsJ+aa8GU3 +OZ3SNVR5iU/ozWXzCpHmeO3uCVoYfdhghxzrFHEmPV2XN3UBn2nscTi/NNosoN8NQU4 Vnxg== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcB90STb1JLLUPf+X+/XgIO+9JXVixfgfIw635rUaHl/ovDLVv5S VBx8qOYtESKnPTHnvGo= X-Received: by 10.223.128.200 with SMTP id 66mr2446130wrl.99.1497122948992; Sat, 10 Jun 2017 12:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.61.162.87] (188.29.165.50.threembb.co.uk. [188.29.165.50]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k19sm6443257wmg.9.2017.06.10.12.29.07 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 10 Jun 2017 12:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 20:29:04 +0100 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <4b3a548c-fd9f-42da-93c7-e8403f065da5@php.net> References: <7028fcfd-d47f-c983-510d-eefe4a36cd4a@tekwire.net> <4b3a548c-fd9f-42da-93c7-e8403f065da5@php.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: <71DDC799-25C8-4276-85BC-5CDC569E7788@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On 8 June 2017 08:52:41 BST, "Fran=C3=A7ois Laupretre" = wrote: > It would be great, IMO, to open a 'Approved for 8=2E0' section >on=20 >the RFC page now, and your RFC could proudly be the 1st one to enter >it=2E I definitely agree with this, as I've argued before for a more timeline ba= sed approach to major releases to avoid / reduce a repeat of the "quick, wh= ile 7=2E0 is on the table" RFC rush, and the "well, 7=2E1 is still kinda th= e beginning of 7=2Ex, so we can break things a little" kludges=2E There is still the question of how to ease the transition, though: a subtl= e break documented years in advance is still a subtle break, so we need to = think what form of deprecation is useful to developers=2E That means more t= han restarting voting with a new target version, and if the final target is= 8=2E0, there's no rush to hold that new vote=2E Regards, --=20 Rowan Collins [IMSoP]