Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:99439 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 77130 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2017 18:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jun 2017 18:32:47 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@fleshgrinder.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@fleshgrinder.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain fleshgrinder.com from 212.232.25.162 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@fleshgrinder.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.232.25.162 mx206.easyname.com Received: from [212.232.25.162] ([212.232.25.162:50985] helo=mx206.easyname.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4C/38-27119-DC648395 for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 14:32:46 -0400 Received: from cable-81-173-132-37.netcologne.de ([81.173.132.37] helo=[192.168.178.20]) by mx.easyname.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dIfl3-0004Fm-Fk; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 18:32:42 +0000 References: <7028fcfd-d47f-c983-510d-eefe4a36cd4a@tekwire.net> To: php-internals , mail@pmmaga.net Message-ID: <98268a3a-3121-36ad-bb59-efc3b30b53d7@fleshgrinder.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 20:32:26 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Cw3Q04xmRI7wiX2TFlMaaqJH516U1usEm" X-DNSBL-PBLSPAMHAUS: YES Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index From: php@fleshgrinder.com (Fleshgrinder) --Cw3Q04xmRI7wiX2TFlMaaqJH516U1usEm Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="9nIDcJt6nsShDHfpPcS7fIaRHG3nhhfuc"; protected-headers="v1" From: Fleshgrinder To: php-internals , mail@pmmaga.net Message-ID: <98268a3a-3121-36ad-bb59-efc3b30b53d7@fleshgrinder.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index References: <7028fcfd-d47f-c983-510d-eefe4a36cd4a@tekwire.net> In-Reply-To: --9nIDcJt6nsShDHfpPcS7fIaRHG3nhhfuc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 6/7/2017 8:23 PM, Pedro Magalh=C3=A3es wrote: > I will not change the target version now during the voting phase. Also > because it wouldn't make sense to vote for a feature for 8.0 yet. If th= e > RFC is rejected and the sentiment is that most people would agree with = the > change but not with the timing, I will propose it again when RFCs for 8= =2E0 > are relevant. >=20 > Thanks, > Pedro >=20 It does not loose relevance just because the implementation is postponed. On the contrary, we could directly start advertising that change, which is super useful to the PHP ecosystem because they can prepare their code for the change. The change you are proposing is absolutely necessary, and it is a great initiative of yours! :) However, the possibility of introducing this kind of change in a minor is dangerous. I am usually against almost all of these changes, but in favor of deprecation to fix more of these unexpected features. --=20 Richard "Fleshgrinder" Fussenegger --9nIDcJt6nsShDHfpPcS7fIaRHG3nhhfuc-- --Cw3Q04xmRI7wiX2TFlMaaqJH516U1usEm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJZOEbDAAoJEOKkKcqFPVVrqkMP/i1jLUC9+PdzDGvdaAAgVX46 88xJMHFFRRLVgT4FAvoTnI2TkKQCgpeGL6aLSQxeRpvEVEVfWMfZUTKz/1f3A2bZ ui4CwHLu+Yy8SyPDYya7MKC5r+9NrbVipukSAT6OuOw/p2YDua15WqmfQgoisE+H e0feaQ9KXsLsYOwtqU1+3OpovDlC8MkNCnuwA8C2fzAHnUvdQQVAHlpLE3eNm6H+ sr9npiE+U1wlSDCKQJpkHsaXSuYvYH+mWh6jtE+MTx2Zihvt21aNeX7wqoMO9KJX m/wsZUgTPuU/HeBv2/nCVPYIpTerKTAbti2SsUKLUXxprK/ysevuLeV4LYrxMOxO vfEoaRB1VKV/7YIUWPUibqyO5i1O0qBZ/DiB6l6/9hUHgauckXLOJjMC9yjsNsFL EjtaxZMQVVm2uWgI53OvI9SDrP2eKY0amQHcJqSAa4Lu2Jfr9/JNqcxyA4pE+JQ+ 54RNYwoR87BeKXj/HXN+1DqgG+Z9HJvHMHNofmo+3I0ulxmESM6X6sreLAkkOtQK Ap7cpNSYwh8647Rms0wpei+EIp2Z85UwuMgXyPDH5U0Shpy9jClAhJ+stSbcADcM xBtgvLSEnTiYagVDo83Wvr7e+KctjLPIcr2F98NHdNVxjmk/mj9CoVMdujn57qj0 HJq/uIfy1XIBQJegZcoV =YrdN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Cw3Q04xmRI7wiX2TFlMaaqJH516U1usEm--