Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:99429 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 14425 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2017 14:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jun 2017 14:07:52 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.46 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.46 mail-wm0-f46.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.46] ([74.125.82.46:35100] helo=mail-wm0-f46.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 29/1C-27119-6B808395 for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 10:07:51 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f46.google.com with SMTP id x70so58755969wme.0 for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 07:07:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=cQ/8dMUXWtOEIfV14dHLBeZ0qSXWkJ7hhWN2i5cJNNs=; b=abCtX3M8/Jw0Xh1deLnLaN8wbKWfYtLjPVbSXzyNa9ivf/gv7jH/et87yJANCZjtsD MtX0l21sdoFBohatDQq8+GngSUWgEX8dFhO38+ZHuyl1o3gbkDKtEOgR2o0QFQOUttAh 21/dW6BBZFNLlaeyvjHKDxHJk4V0KQmlK1N99aPv3TJCMzVhdRQ5QN4tZgqSplniSKDa 7Y32sFUNjm/6fpJI1NDKNKAjFnXU7BTAjfvXb86GZHbjveLJDaPUZQBlogIVcbOu8neT ztUoPKVvTkpt9wSD4I05OF39441bw9lOTokL6j2c0PZaclEbuoMvV/4BYTr4Q/PcEEqI 2ilA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:to:from:message-id; bh=cQ/8dMUXWtOEIfV14dHLBeZ0qSXWkJ7hhWN2i5cJNNs=; b=BdwWpRrIcrKNuV6fkX8qQ20nUanwnmFbnkDxTjr/blyBiC8nX/tCsHxE6aKQk8CtH2 f7lSDgXkLQ4dEBIBF6d2c5wVxr4bDPXub3/R5DngwN+DONSK4oKwgnDm08daRC+U0p28 L8r0vsHEFHlh0hCq8qS6r5v+NcpskvuyGlj0ULHkzAEYaZFBAkPKVzOuxZr0JIOh2FWf yPqJaYmIQV9kEw6G1OlOWHmxNEC0/u4q8bO83Q4idc8/gb5mO8kp1+AeN5gW4nTnrkcC VhXXgK706qKZfpeZPyKGBLozNHotW009QOvRW3+HmjotqLgX9qPs6VeiOSdKvqcjjC3C BHEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcCZN/9mVlkQq8/o/SKNCVow5mPhsZoOgWCORwJvrcTNYxPlPuTC IVfKyyKI4v+FrIWcD8o= X-Received: by 10.28.19.11 with SMTP id 11mr807719wmt.123.1496844466848; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 07:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.61.77.213] (188.29.165.101.threembb.co.uk. [188.29.165.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i3sm2549545wmb.13.2017.06.07.07.07.45 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 07 Jun 2017 07:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 15:07:42 +0100 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <7028fcfd-d47f-c983-510d-eefe4a36cd4a@tekwire.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On 7 June 2017 14:32:50 BST, Dan Ackroyd wrote: >The RFC process is the way that we change the rules, and RFCs are not >constrained by any previous RFC or by any 'constitution' as PHP >doesn't have one=2E This is similar to how the UK parliament isn't >constrained by any previous decision or constitution, which is >different from most other countries, where the power of the government >is limited by constitution=2E Even without a written constitution, you can't simply pass something that = *incidentally* changes a pre-established rule, you have to explicitly make = an exception or a new rule=2E To take the analogy of English Law, if two Acts conflicted without mention= ing each other, I don't think it would be a foregone conclusion that the ne= wer law should be followed=2E What's more, there are laws that explicitly c= onstrain the process of passing other laws - the Parliament Acts, for insta= nce, or the Human Rights Act=2E If you can simply say "this conflicts with our agreed procedures, but it's= newer, so the procedures are automatically wrong" then you might as well n= ot have any procedures=2E Saying "this is an acceptable exception to normal= procedures because=2E=2E=2E" seems a reasonable minimum requirement=2E Regards, --=20 Rowan Collins [IMSoP]