Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:99425 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 6997 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2017 13:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jun 2017 13:32:54 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=danack@basereality.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=danack@basereality.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain basereality.com from 209.85.192.180 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: danack@basereality.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.180 mail-pf0-f180.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.180] ([209.85.192.180:35138] helo=mail-pf0-f180.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 69/AA-27119-58008395 for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 09:32:54 -0400 Received: by mail-pf0-f180.google.com with SMTP id l89so5768321pfi.2 for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 06:32:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=basereality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=D5p2Y2BykT8xIhDvYRo0BrFQHMZnpuT9JCHBpZ7lnvM=; b=p46OT+OkUQnmM1iRDhGn9VsJofHTEhc7wRWrZlAnUby4lv4QYWtn1t9gRDas3LqRoA 29Gk6GyGcIJf6xfSc5zEX41DkfRMCmu1wLJX9YWRpGOtcjqgFKcx+JpBpuq7d5/8YoUo gg+WDS52heEwYNorN8FJfbmY+AfXuhquKcVbCC5DMUHZiDf5ng/5D/jBxqgyUKjhOXi4 9WLjx323k/W/uoOS4xd0d1vAh9myfx7C172ecvkFr09brpbu2rjPe51OyfxigOfPWUlh lyFKwIhwCKROCnhJNIU/S+pIN+Wy4+d5638cvDsyFJBJHSfKnp0DrQeUN7T2+6MLIefT V2XQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=D5p2Y2BykT8xIhDvYRo0BrFQHMZnpuT9JCHBpZ7lnvM=; b=MIeJSurRMIu2rd+bGyGWokWyeQiGpdJ5r5fAAxSDPJD9Y6dIbplLAdZezQVhYa0SRY XD9IG5a3hLpc78ktsKymPerVLUWsUbnU4XRWlfDNMUsmULIuiauMN2LUmc/IwBOytmT/ xX4DASZUtVKhgpTD6kOsiFvUPSvXRT7TxHcmsntweAoGM4XvuPtL59GJYeLgupCi0G2+ lxc/Va7zfTdkN3nKd9A1evaExifDKnZE+47TIBL4/jldVHdgvAPXfryG9IsHuBfMQCCz 6b/7e1xAYi5Qgs/pfSw6XXYbNCT1HLOj2znDBbJfddJmD5jaQ6fCwt9q680VUoIYaSJG F/Zw== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcANK+pDlxoY/ejWqB/g+k4SZyqnjDB2Zit5Mla9Snj4zSMc2ZOp uYthta1e1Wxp4+bnUY+tsO0uhFDnEIsv X-Received: by 10.98.103.134 with SMTP id t6mr368963pfj.83.1496842371108; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 06:32:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.168.4 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 06:32:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [81.143.203.71] In-Reply-To: <7028fcfd-d47f-c983-510d-eefe4a36cd4a@tekwire.net> References: <7028fcfd-d47f-c983-510d-eefe4a36cd4a@tekwire.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 14:32:50 +0100 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Fran=C3=A7ois_Laupretre?= Cc: "Christoph M. Becker" , =?UTF-8?Q?Pedro_Magalh=C3=A3es?= , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [VOTE] Arrays starting with a negative index From: danack@basereality.com (Dan Ackroyd) On 7 June 2017 at 13:41, Fran=C3=A7ois Laupretre wro= te: > Hi, > > Right. Introducing this change is not compatible with the release process= , > whatever the result of the vote... explain why we > should make an exception to the process. The RFC process is the way that we change the rules, and RFCs are not constrained by any previous RFC or by any 'constitution' as PHP doesn't have one. This is similar to how the UK parliament isn't constrained by any previous decision or constitution, which is different from most other countries, where the power of the government is limited by constitution. It behooves people to pay attention to RFCs announced on this list, and to raise their concerns during the comment phase - not to ask for "why is this is being allowed" only when the voting starts. To be clear, I'm referring to some of the more dramatic twitter communications rather than any emails to this list. Also, I'd be more comfortable with this targeting PHP 8 - though I'm hoping someone would demonstrate some actual code that will break, which would make it easier to decide, rather than just people claiming stuff might break. cheers Dan