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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Discussion] ServerRequest and ServerResponse objects
From: davey@php.net (Davey Shafik)

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On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Paul Jones <pmjones88@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > On Jan 7, 2017, at 15:41, Joe Watkins <pthreads@pthreads.org> wrote:
> >
> > That doesn't sound like a positive consensus that this is a good idea,
> it is rather the opposite.
>
> Not to get into interpretations of comments, but while I agree that there
> were one or two actual negatives, they were predicated on a
> misunderstanding of the purpose of the RFC. As such I took them as neutral,
> rather than negative. The remainder were questions or comments, and not
> negative ones.
>
> Either way, I think we can see from reactions here since then (and
> elsewhere) that there is some level of positive interest in the RFC as
> presented, as well as some healthy technical questioning. I'm happy to hear
> both.


[Trying again, Sorry Paul who has likely received this three+ times nows]

[Resent without URLs, grrr]

Let me be absolutely clear:

Any attempt to improve HTTP request/response handling in PHP that doesn't
take into account WebSockets or HTTP/2 Server Push is a non-starter for me.

PSR-7 was heavily influenced by Python's WSGI spec and they are also seeing
it's inability to handle these types of interactions. As such there is a
new recommendation being proposed called ASGI: Asynchronous Server Gateway
Interface [1], that is intended to address this.

I think it would be more beneficial for PHP the language to consider
reaching out to the Python community and seeing if it makes sense to
collaborate on this. A new ASGI SAPI would come with message
objects/interfaces (see [1]) baked in.

If we want PHP to have a meaningful presence for the future web, we need to
move forward from our current request/response 1:1 HTTP-only model.

So, as currently proposed, I'm -1. It doesn't move the language forward in
any meaningful way.

- Davey

[1] google: ASGI python, it's the first result

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