Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:97619 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 50738 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2017 10:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Jan 2017 10:10:34 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=andreas@heigl.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=andreas@heigl.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain heigl.org from 195.191.240.18 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: andreas@heigl.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 195.191.240.18 hos109.unaxus.net Received: from [195.191.240.18] ([195.191.240.18:39725] helo=hos109.unaxus.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 47/67-31343-89163785 for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2017 05:10:33 -0500 Received: from [212.185.30.151] (port=61867 helo=wdv-hg-0C07-zX4090-HeiglAndreas.local) by hos109.unaxus.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cQWuK-003AY4-La; Mon, 09 Jan 2017 11:10:28 +0100 To: Jakub Zelenka , Remi Collet References: <912debc8-14db-2a0b-02f2-ce9487bdbb5c@fedoraproject.org> Cc: PHP internals list Message-ID: <69009349-1040-f522-ac9d-c681e66209f4@heigl.org> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 11:10:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms080003080807060706040408" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hos109.unaxus.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - heigl.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: hos109.unaxus.net: authenticated_id: a.heigl+heigl.org/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Authenticated-Sender: hos109.unaxus.net: a.heigl@heigl.org Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] bugsnet cleanup From: andreas@heigl.org (Andreas Heigl) --------------ms080003080807060706040408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jakub. Am 09.01.17 um 10:59 schrieb Jakub Zelenka: > Hi, >=20 > On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 7:25 AM, Remi Collet wr= ote: >=20 >> Hi, >> >> Le 08/01/2017 =C3=A0 07:46, Joe Watkins a =C3=A9crit : >> >>> I'd like to hear what others think about cleaning up bugsnet, what >> criteria >>> we might use for a mass cleanup. >> >> Big +1 for a mass cleanup. >> >> IMHO all bugs reported against PHP < 5.6 could be cleaned. >=20 >=20 > I disagree with this as many of bugs raised before 5.6 are still valid = bugs > . The reason is that the code for many extensions hasn't changed for lo= ng > time. Of course there was a port to 7.0 which fixed few and also introd= uce > others but most of the old bugs are still valid. It would just hide > existing issues IMHO. >=20 > I think that an ideal way would be to treat each bug individually and a= t > least try if the issue is still present before closing or ask for feedb= ack > if it's not clear how to try it. I can understand that and from what I've seen so far during the cleaning I can only say that you are right. A lot of the bugs reported for versions before PHP 5.6 are still open. But going through all the 3000+ issues currently open agains PHP 5 is a LOT of effort. multiply that by 2 to also check whether they are still relevant. As far as I see it there simply isn't the manpower to do that. We sadly do not live in an ideal world but in Real Life(TM). So giving the feedback that the issue was reported against an unsupported version of PHP and asking the reporter to (re)open the issue when it still is persistent in a supported version distributes that load onto more shoulders. And when it is obvious that the issue is still open, we can easily alter the PHP-Version within the issue instead of closing it. For the future an automated mechanism as described earlier would be awesome. And that would spread the load back onto the reporter as well. 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