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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] ServerRequest and ServerResponse objects
From: pthreads@pthreads.org (Joe Watkins)

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Afternoon Paul,

Indeed there was a huge glitch ... everywhere ... Leap seconds, and goblins
are worth considering, but also, the mail server recently switched software.

Since there seems to be links getting through now, I think we are through
the storm ... although nobody has directly told me that.

It would be safe to assume the only people that recv'd comms have replied
already.

It may be that you need to leave it two weeks from about now, to be on the
safe side. I'm sure that's not too different from what you were planning
anyway.

Cheers
Joe

[tag:ignore] http://news.php.net <- this is nonsense - me testing if this
will be delivered. [tag:ignore]


On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Marco Pivetta <ocramius@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> On 6 Jan 2017 3:19 p.m., "Paul Jones" <pmjones88@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Today marks two weeks since this RFC was introduced. As I said at the
> start, it's the holidays, so I expect to keep the discussion period open
> for longer than two weeks, but I am surprised at how little discussion
> there has been.
>
> I find it hard to imagine that all criticisms have been raised, and that
> the remainder of the RFC is otherwise unobjectionable. So, if there are
> further questions, please let me know!
>
>
> As mentioned before, the fact that the RFC proposes *yet another*  (XKCD
> 927) request/response API simply increases fragmentation within the
> ecosystem.
>
> This is not useful, especially now that a common interoperability interface
> for request and response that works quite decently and is getting traction
> (PSR-7) exists.
>
> Bundling the interface is no biggie, so I suggest steering away and going
> that way, or else you are just adding API that everyone would just need to
> build wasteful adapters for.
>
> There are several technical issues too:
>
>  * A magic constructor that fetches data from global state: add a factory
> for that, leave the constructor open for modifications or new instantiation
> ways, or make it private.
>  * Magic read-only properties that go against the language semantics: make
> 'em accessors, or do whatever you want, but don't invent new language
> semantics just for your own extension.
>  * A series of non-exhaustive properties that give some "helper" API to see
> if it's XHR or not, violating basic SRP. Are you abstracting a request or
> what you want to do with the request? You can define separate utility
> functions for that. Yes, functions.
>  * As per current API, I'd expect the ctor to throw an exception when used
> outside the web SAPI context
>  * You use the *with* prefix for setting values, while you know exactly
> that *with* was used to differentiate from a mutable and a non-mutable API
> in the existing request abstractions: this makes things confusing again
>  * There's no interface for these classes, and they are not marked as
> final, as far as I can see. This means that users will extend them (unwise
> choice), and with that they will have a class with reflection bits in the
> extension (extremely bad idea!). An interface and final are needed here.
>
> Anyway, this is just a partial review of what I got to read with a few
> minutes of time, yet loads of issues are evident.
>
> I am obviously defensive and biased here, but if something new is being
> designed for inclusion in php-src, and it has to reach millions of
> developers, it better be *reeeeeealli* good. The issues above are just the
> tip of the iceberg, and many developers obviously didn't use nor try this
> extension so far.
>
> IMO needs another few design iterations, and a lot more adoption, in order
> to become interesting. Orrrrr you provide us with a factory for an
> implementation of these concepts that already has adoption, traction and
> extremely careful design behind it.
>
> Greets,
>
> Marco Pivetta
>

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