Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:97380 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 41044 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2016 19:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Dec 2016 19:56:15 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pmjones88@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pmjones88@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.223.181 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pmjones88@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.223.181 mail-io0-f181.google.com Received: from [209.85.223.181] ([209.85.223.181:34367] helo=mail-io0-f181.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 1D/EF-27518-CD00F485 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 14:56:14 -0500 Received: by mail-io0-f181.google.com with SMTP id p42so17512020ioo.1 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:56:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=rdHQdE8VjDjVCDqZyQA6psgtKIhIpE2WaF1bcS+ur4g=; b=JNyxZ+g8g/qAoPGQvtaxvdKmsFBQgm5oz57ZvPtNvOO7/5BXNXL10DZSha3qOF+JxB gcyWvacAL6SFHL2TwLgQhyqywI5X1tV7Q2DdhkLM490gAsXAsBO1f6SqvnxutgJeDE0p 5lyLT6hztVdbZGUEAcArprZ9ReeQQTAeMknSkEY5Nfh3f8d+48Xfvd0zbXxLc18/uc2E h9v/9XhpBchhRoamBc2U0Hs3TztCgRiyuG7oSwiffTC1bk7ADnRD+9TjKZv54Bt+t7GU c6giiTvhn/H6YQaF9MgMx3QOLl8gP0jkq08UnpX+yfvR3jctj6KaV8M41UMVna69tps6 HYjA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=rdHQdE8VjDjVCDqZyQA6psgtKIhIpE2WaF1bcS+ur4g=; b=CnqcywxKvyC0H1AOb3p3LWjr3Y9zJpzb4ct0EN+0cuRqTjKB/Fp8D7Qj9gvN1r1L9X UhtinpE3lb0PkmH/dCPNXZNYGeAZkApoyN8at8k3qBESE2ZuwJPIustMI1CI//NEdGtP PlOYhEFBsb838LPrr45eP4L3fqg+L9zs1dAeT42iS57nQYR6bcBkDyaqWp3XxDlXIHeC AHXowMRvH4ppJ0rpWnAAehGYicIniN3CxAIxIDNehQt654IJFuk0uU+csN+VXvJ5yfwf gzSjkpdI/+V/ag4vRCJ5NmXNRT68UJ+MoKgfVcvctYRxsOsW8rug0BCk2E+5uX5Qb4GT fA4w== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC02sbfqOYEI6e6agnCJezdI+7swHxagG/TP4t8NccsWaHWsfnRZqySSvTPC+H1TCCg== X-Received: by 10.36.127.88 with SMTP id r85mr18935787itc.116.1481572570596; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:56:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (108-236-186-227.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net. [108.236.186.227]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l203sm12441846ita.6.2016.12.12.11.56.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:56:10 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.1 \(3251\)) In-Reply-To: <19.8F.27518.25CFE485@pb1.pair.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:56:08 -0600 Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <25846969-F608-4EE2-8636-8823213C990B@gmail.com> References: <19.8F.27518.25CFE485@pb1.pair.com> To: Andrea Faulds X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV][RFC][DISCUSSION] - Immutable classes and properties From: pmjones88@gmail.com (Paul Jones) > On Dec 12, 2016, at 13:36, Andrea Faulds wrote: >=20 > Consider that some popular applications of immutability ultimately = contain a reference to something mutable: PSR-7's immutable HTTP message = objects point to mutable streams Which subverts its overall promise of immutability (and the streams are = not the only place where the promise of immutability is subverted). --=20 Paul M. Jones pmjones88@gmail.com http://paul-m-jones.com Modernizing Legacy Applications in PHP https://leanpub.com/mlaphp Solving the N+1 Problem in PHP https://leanpub.com/sn1php