Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:97245 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53724 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2016 10:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Dec 2016 10:06:33 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=andreas@heigl.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=andreas@heigl.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain heigl.org from 195.191.240.18 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: andreas@heigl.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 195.191.240.18 hos109.unaxus.net Received: from [195.191.240.18] ([195.191.240.18:52275] helo=hos109.unaxus.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 1D/35-01781-2A741485 for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 05:06:28 -0500 Received: from [212.185.30.151] (port=51721 helo=wdv-hg-0.C.07-zX4090-Heigl.Andreas.dhcp.hg.wdv.de) by hos109.unaxus.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cCkjN-000wd4-SS; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 11:06:14 +0100 To: Davey Shafik References: <52914793-24da-2dd2-fda8-372720f80475@gmail.com> <57bdb75a-f019-8910-3347-ad3c6657b183@heigl.org> Cc: PHP internals Message-ID: <7fd455e9-38fa-e125-3794-136e6c84deb8@heigl.org> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:05:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms060608070400070706080408" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hos109.unaxus.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - heigl.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: hos109.unaxus.net: authenticated_id: a.heigl+heigl.org/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Authenticated-Sender: hos109.unaxus.net: a.heigl@heigl.org Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] php.net mailing setup owner? From: andreas@heigl.org (Andreas Heigl) --------------ms060608070400070706080408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Davey, hi All Am 02.12.16 um 03:10 schrieb Davey Shafik: > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf > wrote: >=20 > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Derick Rethans > wrote: > > > > I think it's time to retire Ecelerity. Nobody knows how it works.= if > > It'd be postfix, I would likely have checked one of these ghost m= ail > > reports out... > > >=20 > I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but at the same time it i= s > a lot > of work to switch and get a secure and efficient anti-spam mail ser= ver > working well these days. >=20 >=20 > I'm going to assume that outsourcing it (with sponsorship?) is out of > the question?=20 >=20 Personally I think having control over our infrastructure makes it easier to handle special use-cases. So outsorcing Email to an SAAS-provider wouldn't be my first option. Even though outsorcing might solve some issues due to having specialists handling everything we'd always need to circumvent their "one setup for all"-solutions for special use-cases. That might be a feasible solution for the mailinglists but I don't see our actual Emails going that way. But perhaps others see that different. 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