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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Vote] Typed Properties
From: rasmus@mindplay.dk (Rasmus Schultz)

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> if you've hired developers that care more about trends than your
application then you've hired the wrong developers.

A consistent, complete type-system is not a "trend".

In my experience, good developers notice things like inconsistency - and
they generally do not like it.

I am personally *not* about trends, and don't tend to count developers who
buy into hype as "good" developers - those would *not* be the developers
I'd be concerned about walking. We can hire developers like those again
easily.

> If every language is the same then what's the point of different
languages?

I'm not arguing "PHP should be more like X", I'm arguing for consistency
and completeness - an irrational fear of having certain similarities with
other languages really does not work as an argument against that.

Anyways, glad to hear Bob Weinland has been working on typed references and
the RFC is not dead :-)


On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Daniel Morris <daniel@honestempire.com>
wrote:

> If every language is the same then what's the point of different
> languages? People use Scala and PHP for different things, if your
> developers are considering walking for that reason then they should
> evaluate whether they want to build things or whether they want to be
> trendy. Good (heck, great) developers will put to best use the tools
> they have available. Migrate to Go, and watch every one of them
> eventually complain about how they're having to check for err against
> every function call since functions return multiple values, have them
> migrate to Scala and watch their frustration as the time to change
> visibility is dropped significantly; if you've hired developers that
> care more about trends than your application then you've hired the wrong
> developers.
>
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> Daniel Morris
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