Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:97053 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 55007 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2016 16:18:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Nov 2016 16:18:37 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.52 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.52 mail-wm0-f52.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.52] ([74.125.82.52:35696] helo=mail-wm0-f52.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 63/50-53573-C5B70385 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 11:18:37 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-f52.google.com with SMTP id a197so81905966wmd.0 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:18:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:to:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aNhABddC65jxRBaVa3pF9vQ7tWD2dr4q3NZQRFUf3zw=; b=Y01gjoMtHbEEP0ojNJCMVs/cXyZ1isgxGYFu8RSJSy2ga7RihsXTl/6YnKmQjnRah4 UXKaELLOv7EqljzT5HBJq5CiOcDjdnWuOzuWjmikmSA4MZ33Z4s38OlsKJpTl612NLMQ CC9NNldI8FPwXDcN2MX3/R1XUydpmB26tBC/fmf2UUbvjQv12XDwCjCbDbpBdt/Rzb1m NkaAXcGB8UzpYdHFBeEHxdx3lrt9s62wfAFarc+2iJoU9rj2urt6lfF8x+ADTNoM73ZY Ctmh7os+VlPs83YScISMSmZy+MH6dE9cpezPF07tTppZmrtIw154V4XFTmm5KyK8rj+A cytw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:references:to:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aNhABddC65jxRBaVa3pF9vQ7tWD2dr4q3NZQRFUf3zw=; b=WWNxhsKwcNrerkI76c4DfGMRTEIqulek1kwuPk/lEPtGL25HCB1nTnkDb/zVBMN8kB 4+W0le5Nqyq1owOAFUL7sHEWOtaDQ6j9N9rxl7LkcllWzhq10gexRwSSNHEfh9929hfU PM5dL5I+Ze9M7CxrQADECFmg9G9lkZ6Wd2Dqz9lAPTZZayQ/8UQo26oxAxrRCoLK6Rho tYTj7YmPLusfE6rC+3U1azGSEhWlJZW3ZpPrGdS1TLxjmI9EbGvLq416RqubD9uF67Tc uPgGcr7d+1h2U+tqRpQOg/r0sLXdtpSnHRh+Mg+DZz+3rm7IJm69aNK5+VdI9IAKSh1f 5ZjA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC01sdqov+gx0anJAgqAlbimS9OLmgJbvX/W6CHR+ERrdsU5Rkki+H3guIpgIe0HbVQ== X-Received: by 10.28.63.150 with SMTP id m144mr3917553wma.96.1479572313688; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([2.27.88.157]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l74sm9489822wmg.2.2016.11.19.08.18.31 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 19 Nov 2016 08:18:32 -0800 (PST) References: <1ff261d9-129e-3b97-adf1-0e3e2aad280b@gmx.de> <8b980bff-8173-a1a3-bed9-1b3b556be6cd@gmail.com> To: PHP internals Message-ID: <26338821-029b-e8cf-60b2-05c4660c069c@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 16:18:27 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Abolish 50%+1 Votes From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On 17/11/2016 18:23, Joe Watkins wrote: > The sum of their parts amounts to a substantial change in the way we > conduct development here. [...] > Let us consider each issue on it's own, make good decisions on each > issue, with clear majorities. You seem to take the same basis as me, and reach the opposite conclusion. I think there is substantial interaction between the questions of who should vote, how they should vote, and how the vote should be "won". Changing the process one variable at a time might lead to combinations which would never have been reached in a unified discussion. I realise you've now said you're going to redraft the RFC with wider scope, so I hope you'll consider bringing in some of the other elements raised. Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]