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Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 23:01:13 +0700
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To: Bob Weinand <bobwei9@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Vote] Typed Properties
From: php-lists@koalephant.com (Stephen Reay)

Thanks for your work on this Bob, it is *very* appreciated!

> On 19 Nov 2016, at 21:51, Bob Weinand <bobwei9@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Hey there,
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> I=E2=80=99ve actually been working on an implementation covering also =
typed references, so that it=E2=80=99s possible to create references to =
a typed property, which had been a major concern back then.
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> See also: =
https://github.com/bwoebi/php-src/compare/typed_properties...bwoebi:typed_=
ref_properties
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> I=E2=80=99m planning to revive the RFC soon.
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> Bob
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>> Am 19.11.2016 um 15:04 schrieb Rasmus Schultz <rasmus@mindplay.dk>:
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>> Heh, so, this week, a coworker of mine started using PHP 7, and he =
calls me
>> over, and he's like, "I don't get it, I had heard PHP 7 was supposed =
to
>> have type-hints now - it worked for return-types, but what am I doing
>> wrong, I can't seem to get this to work for properties?"
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>> He actually had something like "public int $id" in a =
class-declaration on
>> his screen, and was genuinely confused - he simply assumed that would =
work,
>> since it worked for return-types. When I explained to him that, no, =
PHP 7
>> still isn't type-hinted, it's *more* type-hinted, but still not fully
>> type-hinted, he gave me the lemon-face. You know the one. Like you =
just ate
>> a lemon. Yeah.
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>> I don't think there's a developer on my team and this point who isn't =
at
>> least checking out other languages in frustration with the lack of =
features
>> and consistency. I'm starting to feel like we're at risk of some of =
our
>> best, young developers walking, if somebody offers them a chance to =
work
>> with more "exciting" languages like Scala, Go, Dart, etc. - I'm not =
trying
>> to say that proper type-hinting is the whole answer, but I believe it =
would
>> go a long way towards consistency and the sense of completeness you =
get
>> from some of the competing languages, where these features were =
engineered
>> into the language from the design stage, rather than being added on a =
bit
>> at a time.
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>> Any plans to revive this RFC or is it officially dead?
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>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Pascal MARTIN, AFUP <
>> mailing@pascal-martin.fr> wrote:
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>>> Le 10/06/2016 12:38, Joe Watkins a =C3=A9crit :
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>>>>    The vote for typed properties has been restarted.
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>>> Hi,
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>>> We, at AFUP, often tend to be on the "more static / strict types" =
side of
>>> things, and it remains this way for this RFC -- which means we would =
be +1
>>> for typed properties.
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>>> A few noted this was not quite "the PHP way", while the majority =
felt this
>>> was in line with previous changes (like scalar type declarations, =
nullable
>>> types...) and could prove interesting for complex applications.
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>>> Judging from where the votes are right now, I'm guessing this RFC =
will not
>>> pass, but, in any case, thanks for your work on this!
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>>> There are more "yes" than "no", so maybe it will open a path towards
>>> something, maybe a bit different, in another future version...
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>>> --
>>> Pascal MARTIN, AFUP - French UG
>>> http://php-internals.afup.org/
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