Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:97035 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 4336 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2016 12:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Nov 2016 12:41:04 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 185.153.204.204 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 185.153.204.204 mail4.serversure.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [185.153.204.204] ([185.153.204.204:41094] helo=mail4.serversure.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 15/B2-25966-D5840385 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2016 07:41:03 -0500 Received: (qmail 12400 invoked by uid 89); 19 Nov 2016 12:40:58 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 12393, pid: 12396, t: 0.0414s scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.96/m:52/d:10677 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.7?) (lester@rainbowdigitalmedia.org.uk@81.138.11.136) by mail4.serversure.net with ESMTPA; 19 Nov 2016 12:40:58 -0000 To: internals@lists.php.net References: Message-ID: <4bc5c07d-1633-7fd0-b108-3c06e362bae4@lsces.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:40:57 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Abolish 50%+1 Votes From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) On 19/11/16 12:10, Joe Watkins wrote: > For such a simple question, 3 weeks in total should be long enough. Is this simply ... Every element of a vote has to achieve 2/3rds? While there are many cases where a simple yes/no question can eventually be agreed on, and I would prefer that some of the 50/50 decisions had a much greater consensus, areas where there is no clean consensus will not be solved 'simply' by moving the goal posts? The main problem is simply that there is not a common consensus on just how PHP should develop, and things like 'who can vote' and getting a sensible number of people to agree on something is just as important. The recent RFC on 'Debugging PDO Prepared Statement' is a good example of where people who may be affected have no vote, but people who could properly assess the now approved patch don't have the time or incentive to do so. A number of current RFC's have overlapping elements where a consensus on the base approach may be of more use than patching individual parts in isolation. A vote on the 'roadmap' element with sub sections on elements which may well not be appropriate for a full 3/2rds in light of the main question. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk