Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:96983 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11873 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2016 22:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Nov 2016 22:51:16 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tendoaki@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tendoaki@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.213.51 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tendoaki@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.51 mail-vk0-f51.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.51] ([209.85.213.51:35550] helo=mail-vk0-f51.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CE/C0-07771-3643E285 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:51:16 -0500 Received: by mail-vk0-f51.google.com with SMTP id w194so154723878vkw.2 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:51:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=p5NkKoA7vB+20InIWaAnz9R4qQRwg8cbx5fXXdUItqo=; b=izzx9wQVuQdBMCUJK4q9W16nl1T4DQK1Kh/+yYiQxf+1EgmKT1YNuf1LjovRLY6TRh 2wyoSIqpTxHYkU44AO8D29siIjsC+l5oatO+4Jk/Vdftud2QZqBVpXUIzuPnshlA6Uc6 kyZeUxQEmm93xF1UvvbpqA7N2Rjz8jUrbbaEmYMmHej+2J9bhdr74nChf5BfnqcY+Xjm 6nbRqfijl5rsKiOzN7MkY8Dl8hIwtNuIPm2mRAgTTAHkmrtwnixwTHznwVhFzklmH19j U/SGnZyf7/yyMXxH0n6J1Il2dDCwwiC8OgVpGhLYL16PJpJjgdcPKgnJG9guDQSHg7JE N5WQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=p5NkKoA7vB+20InIWaAnz9R4qQRwg8cbx5fXXdUItqo=; b=kgbXoncJS7hY1bBpji0nOGAIXyl4MjZPemUFMTN76NOg7VJk6JPotW3Ewx/jHVr0k7 QT3t3ZHKvGd7h0Z2+82ZgCaeVvgHVI42PaOquOanWYZLM+C2U3IxK2AWvfCY3zgUkqAG ToLtuSKY7qUEXlPpoHMIjA2wmF9Osc0rRnZH5OMbTTYveE+qKvHVL4C4Sil4AtlvLU6Y uSAaS47F3pZBiJK+Gc33l0co+RGCVflU6fqG4pcPVMj+gUQ3fx0jwijA6lm56SRiW1UV kKgfiZuhEIrfCwGAFslQo+Gu2ROUJmo4WHS3D/Ng/7LZgJdv++AQiCidU7NC1XC8xOOE xFLg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC03VB2RektIT/5+jRJifyUCjkSom77wV4bSrumISG1YOYQSN6xRkjKURfug+fCwjQWdcy8Ix38LvZqA2tQ== X-Received: by 10.31.7.200 with SMTP id 191mr3687506vkh.132.1479423072656; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:51:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.78.26 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 14:51:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1ff261d9-129e-3b97-adf1-0e3e2aad280b@gmx.de> <8b980bff-8173-a1a3-bed9-1b3b556be6cd@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:51:11 -0500 Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143d318b7e2b1054187060e Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Abolish 50%+1 Votes From: tendoaki@gmail.com (Michael Morris) --001a1143d318b7e2b1054187060e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Adam Baratz wrote: > > > I agree with this. We could end up with a different system if we look at > this holistically. Also, I'm not sure what the urgency in making this > change is. I'd rather be thoughtful about a substantive change like this. > > It might help to articulate the goals of the voting system. I agree with > the gut feel that 50%+1 is a weak test, but that really depends on what's > being tested. If we can articulate goals in the RFC, that will also help > inform how the community approaches writing RFCs. > > I have some concerns that a very high bar will make it difficult to change > extensions if their users aren't well-represented here. > > My opinion, for what it's worth, is that simple majority should be sufficient for any non-binding decision - that is a choice that doesn't have BC breaks and further doesn't create future BC breaks if the measure is voted out. Simple majority should also be sufficient if there is no status quo other than doing nothing and doing nothing isn't a viable choice. Ranked choice ballots should be used when there are three or more competing plans of action as it is better for reaching consensus in those situations. These rules as well as who has a right to vote need to be more clearly documented somewhere. --001a1143d318b7e2b1054187060e--