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To: Joe Watkins <pthreads@pthreads.org>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Abolish 50%+1 Votes
From: kalle@php.net (Kalle Sommer Nielsen)

2016-11-17 19:22 GMT+01:00 Joe Watkins <pthreads@pthreads.org>:
> Afternoon Kalle,
>
> We have to start with the assumption that everyone that votes, does so with
> good intentions.

Ofcourse, but I just don't think it is fair that someone who made an
RFC and never contributed anything else to the project, can have an
impact on the future of PHP just because they got a wiki account or
someone who got a VCS account for a pear package they never released
10 years ago, but still got approved. I fully respect everyone who
have contributed to PHP now and in the past for all their hard work,
but I would also like to see a line drawn.

> I'm sympathetic to the view that active contributors should somehow carry
> more weight with their words, or vote. But, I shy away from actually saying
> that we should only listen to those people.

I agree that we should listen to everyone, else it becomes this closed
gentleman's club it kinda used to be. Alternatively we can have a
community vote, which can be a factor to the end result ofcourse.


> Consider the case of an extension developer who may not have time to
> actively contribute to php-src, but is directly affected by decisions we
> make. They acquired karma for fixing a couple of bugs in the course of
> developing their extension, and so vote when RFC's come along that they have
> an opinion on. Their extension may be widely used, but just not a candidate
> for inclusion in PHP.
>
> I think we all intuitively agree that this person deserves their voice, and
> that they can't be considered active contributors in any real sense.
>
> Such cases are innumerable.

That's a valid case and concern, but I think if it came down to
changing to something like active contributors, such cases like this
should be well written and how we can let such voices heard/matter,
maybe there could be a category, say someone wants to add a new
function to an extension, then everyone who contributes to that can
vote too (as in karma based) or if its an internal API change that can
affect extensions heavily.




-- 
regards,

Kalle Sommer Nielsen
kalle@php.net