Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:96970 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 82195 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2016 18:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Nov 2016 18:22:14 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pthreads@pthreads.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pthreads@pthreads.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pthreads.org from 209.85.214.45 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pthreads@pthreads.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.214.45 mail-it0-f45.google.com Received: from [209.85.214.45] ([209.85.214.45:35647] helo=mail-it0-f45.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id EE/F0-11917-555FD285 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:22:14 -0500 Received: by mail-it0-f45.google.com with SMTP id c20so292561678itb.0 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:22:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pthreads-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RGQ2tUJALb3q4EPsi8yKqC5JVyD7DAmV0a0ECNEflaQ=; b=w2wi8ZcDuG9FmQTmIx38HlhXkFIw12FikvR+dkZ+HilIPdZ3XBRPVr/4UNxCZJ54C6 BjSiV/PAjRfkNDXROypIGL5ssPHOYwRnT1FgR+uYazoG3ITc/UPiXbwXUNBEX9SPBhgo /SQKb78P2eGZ2TPSPHRG9dUk9rQTLxNkGQQITRU65zyuVGny2KrIFPIcKZZSMbAUpt2J oTq9Bb5lAvR0eSc7ZMnx/MOFqNEsJ8GieEXm+Oh+RU+9BRL1Y1+Y0tEXZzb9jF7OP3ha xM5WIYL2wf8+JD3hS1BjtQeIoDUBR9D89QxY9tQYaqab4KtPBSKFqF4wR+Jtf3IjcC9O mBjQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RGQ2tUJALb3q4EPsi8yKqC5JVyD7DAmV0a0ECNEflaQ=; b=Trbw539LBdIGy8+PNVJMjWfniv4DIAaRB3uLuMgPlW4K56pQVqoiDu4eu+YrtD7CSB iNcvTrk15jTD+q8qgNQNIAWvgqW9LzTvil5Mi7t4Qrm7ev3ch3RZgGxeB/FQsUCSC/80 0zvTyITJSeay22vsD/7DZfsAUUDalHOfVZtZO3rnVCmbUnmWnQC1WTSIEkd8dCJCkuY0 LWwU6i5CEqIF7nZMweDdZAnsF5u+YCCynVM7FHOSrA0bYBbfIWPfIZAGmeabOijz+snK A/aun5F2n4FKyiF9jwaBEyvt4blp4viptLW+XknkDFk/+0p9Ok8tujKVkLt7cBXyY1MN n8GA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvd9WaLpoYX1skV7waZ9Lbc7wgGOjVvGupPwP5JfjhySf1a8FPwFGMewlW8SiJViH2lbnCT1HYRd8f+Slw== X-Received: by 10.36.213.3 with SMTP id a3mr4330496itg.36.1479406930236; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:22:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.102.3 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:22:09 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [109.157.245.230] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:22:09 +0000 Message-ID: To: Kalle Sommer Nielsen Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c05f6bc8e4b410541834456 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Abolish 50%+1 Votes From: pthreads@pthreads.org (Joe Watkins) --94eb2c05f6bc8e4b410541834456 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Afternoon Kalle, We have to start with the assumption that everyone that votes, does so with good intentions. I'm sympathetic to the view that active contributors should somehow carry more weight with their words, or vote. But, I shy away from actually saying that we should only listen to those people. Consider the case of an extension developer who may not have time to actively contribute to php-src, but is directly affected by decisions we make. They acquired karma for fixing a couple of bugs in the course of developing their extension, and so vote when RFC's come along that they have an opinion on. Their extension may be widely used, but just not a candidate for inclusion in PHP. I think we all intuitively agree that this person deserves their voice, and that they can't be considered active contributors in any real sense. Such cases are innumerable. Cheers Joe On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: > Hi Joe > > 2016-11-17 18:18 GMT+01:00 Joe Watkins : > > Afternoon internals, > > > > This has been discussed before in various RFC threads, there does seem to > > be some consensus that 50%+1 votes could be harmful. > > I still stand by that we should only let active contributors to PHP > vote, while I understand that not everyone votes and there are many > projects within the PHP.net umbrella. I do understand that many from > outside projects wants to contribute and not everyone is great at C or > internals or similar, but it is us that maintain PHP and if everyone > who have a wiki account votes on something they may not understand the > implication of, then it us that sits with it for years to maintain. > > By doing that I think we wouldn't need to have a X%+1 for accepting an > RFC, if there are a tie, then there is obviously a dispute among us > core developers and it can be discussed. Kinda what we used to do with > voting on the ML, just by tracking them on the wiki interface. > > > -- > regards, > > Kalle Sommer Nielsen > kalle@php.net > --94eb2c05f6bc8e4b410541834456--