Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:96967 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 77521 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2016 18:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Nov 2016 18:12:09 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=nikita.ppv@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=nikita.ppv@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.213.172 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: nikita.ppv@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.172 mail-yb0-f172.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.172] ([209.85.213.172:33188] helo=mail-yb0-f172.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 40/00-11917-7F2FD285 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:12:08 -0500 Received: by mail-yb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id a184so67589399ybb.0 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:12:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=YWz7MbM2FPof9tB5Qfqx27m0YzFxzkrsdU92hycCQko=; b=kjtlSdzLCHQTxb7arAPoeBchqjKRRnjyFybHrGhBB3ni7TgdBbZh27WuS6q3vNLP7V 6TZ0auyT6sUOYqCyQQyC/UXjWZXKMA/IsJV+pmChtwhBnenvudD6+fqEYaIWJdddoUdo gSm7uitsn/6jMEiFYMa9CkkyGXd+yEhD6yJOMN2jxWJjiY9bkZ4be+rcXLhlW0WEEEHK odVb28pp77c9T1fN2gJDX3+MWke+6nfdQjIusNMB4/T7BDP1cbui/zTa8Bp04aGcCzgC gvPeBdUdXs9LqoPJygL5gHbiCj0/bkNv9aMKC0kdwcZDGtYsOaFQne/MwyYbrfltRJk3 7Qmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=YWz7MbM2FPof9tB5Qfqx27m0YzFxzkrsdU92hycCQko=; b=bbhfUPhkjrXO+2lOv7QWGJm769HYsjdUvsqtT3N+N6katQ8q3ZSyLigyF2CXmswe9A qdJcKe9JaWUeyFUwUfEMyamxY8t3NYWk4VoUiPztFicHStTLbuSKZJZokhSoCF3W7Dow WyPqPDV/5E8SIk7LYzAoDLHSn1Nzfu81UJ9V7Q8Y4F3WAf/f+8gPJgUbVqlylQfe7sFT y+aogAHSL0bGH7JH1BF5dsu5doH40SXx8bQRlFQCNgmvnl0n89DepBbMklCezbrjOcHx bse75UJiwsfkpntQ+0FkszsTMlY+Z+WNvuY//w4z3Neb+WkHPcD20FmxKRMHw0jJ0Q5r Hyyg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvcERQCqLuVh6fVLi9rQuHMf5T75MWbQhefCLgAn8Mglo86rX0JZPnou4cQFDnqAMsdOZiVJaLXmHaA6Kw== X-Received: by 10.129.146.214 with SMTP id j205mr4835111ywg.28.1479406324946; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:12:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.83.67.21 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:12:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 19:12:02 +0100 Message-ID: To: Joe Watkins Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c09272c7a1ceb0541832053 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Abolish 50%+1 Votes From: nikita.ppv@gmail.com (Nikita Popov) --94eb2c09272c7a1ceb0541832053 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Joe Watkins wrote: > Afternoon internals, > > This has been discussed before in various RFC threads, there does seem to > be some consensus that 50%+1 votes could be harmful. > > To what degree, I am not sure. > > I raise for discussion the topic of abolishing 50%+1 votes, and requiring > all changes regardless of their nature to pass by a super majority of > 2/3+1. > > Please read the (brief) RFC and raise objections here. > > There will be a one week discussion period for this RFC. > > Cheers > Joe > A technical note: The existing supermajority requirement is >= 2/3, not >= 2/3+1. I think that should stay the same. Apart from that, I totally agree that everything should take a 2/3 majority. It simplifies the rules and avoids the common and very pointless discussion about what exactly constitutes a "language change". I have the vague impression that this issue has come up on pretty much every major RFC (like phpng -- Is it really a language change if it's just internals? Similar for int size changes. Similar for PHP 6 vs 7, etc.) Nikita --94eb2c09272c7a1ceb0541832053--