Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:96966 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 75950 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2016 18:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Nov 2016 18:03:43 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pthreads@pthreads.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pthreads@pthreads.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pthreads.org from 209.85.214.49 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pthreads@pthreads.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.214.49 mail-it0-f49.google.com Received: from [209.85.214.49] ([209.85.214.49:37632] helo=mail-it0-f49.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CA/51-04294-FF0FD285 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 13:03:43 -0500 Received: by mail-it0-f49.google.com with SMTP id y23so67029585itc.0 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:03:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pthreads-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ZSWGP8b4ZlhOrzbA4x4CTWwckq02rJS5g987DGy0dIo=; b=r82an9hfYrT1ZBxSQISTkcOuN9SyylGCxtXscI1tnjFGB27484B9JdZkq1PwCezRon vIpd2pTugqb62YV2C0JW0EZbBvJunvMD7+MUbhFrYFaNdcR4lZSEcpwGUMKvFohJXx0o P7fGAYnI3GbbpSo5pv+PddcAoiG2gu9ZITjqvxYfVG57hlne29qgzihJ/cHwKFoq5MNy nLeRK09Y35riZV1Wz9ARWbKsZJhoIl0iOx0gojmFiN/T535Wtw/C2+81m8NfkLi9vnp2 WXeoNCU+Ciz7FQIkIaUTH5V9Itm5ILdNqeAPehf0f5ZaE6Pm4rMARwOWzXQ9iafpUlSj W9HQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZSWGP8b4ZlhOrzbA4x4CTWwckq02rJS5g987DGy0dIo=; b=B0obNKHEGZgaUgPRDqZWfdZfhR5ItCS+uwpj4UhJ8F7tcyCBbfbviFHAHPFUyfESlK Yry2KvFiHSEoyW2mpJlHzZJIG0MRWdFR7DDU9IFiPKkl6Q8FgqeZFcunrFQvfuHH4Yw6 7GqlV7nz6HWZ3hkXLD/5BlUgHNFc6c0qSAXAcs2ihcFbbhZPnBTrtLHIOlsU3iT3Md7h ADVF5/pKEFhiQ5Y4L70R1JZLZA3hgo9aO1/lXgoTTOtPcS3OpDso94fVnYX/SflfIp4p Z+HgO5s+YjXHX+tS8GUIeUbGk0mWtP453DleM/bbamp0S6vquRenlySR/rzabyh02HdT o5QQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvfQ07pab9HdGzQGquHXMuBi9+vWg77CyHM+8jQxRbPzzmQ+Q1kQzsMJoH6pnxN/NHMjKx7jcOdMpp2Auw== X-Received: by 10.36.64.75 with SMTP id n72mr11423258ita.105.1479405820779; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:03:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.102.3 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 10:03:40 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [109.157.245.230] In-Reply-To: <1ff261d9-129e-3b97-adf1-0e3e2aad280b@gmx.de> References: <1ff261d9-129e-3b97-adf1-0e3e2aad280b@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:03:40 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Christoph M. Becker" Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1135b5d66d45a105418302e6 Subject: Re: [RFC] Abolish 50%+1 Votes From: pthreads@pthreads.org (Joe Watkins) --001a1135b5d66d45a105418302e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Afternoon Chrisoph, The minimum number of votes is going to be the subject of another RFC, let's leave that aside for now. I've written many RFC's that change the language, the majority have failed. Setting the bar high is the aim, and the bar feels high at 2/3+1, but crucially, not higher than it should be. Setting the bar too high is discouraging, I think: We don't want less contributions, we want clearer outcomes. Cheers Joe On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Christoph M. Becker wrote: > On 17.11.2016 at 18:18, Joe Watkins wrote: > > > Afternoon internals, > > > > This has been discussed before in various RFC threads, there does seem = to > > be some consensus that 50%+1 votes could be harmful. > > > > To what degree, I am not sure. > > > > I raise for discussion the topic of abolishing 50%+1 votes, and requiri= ng > > all changes regardless of their nature to pass by a super majority of > > 2/3+1. > > > > Please read the (brief) RFC and raise objections here. > > > > There will be a one week discussion period for this RFC. > > Thans for the RFC, Joe. I'm all for it, but maybe we should raise the > bar even higher (say, 75% as suggested by Dennis), and perhaps also > introduce a required minimum of votes (to avoid that a single yes vote > could decide over an RFC). > > Anyhow, I would suggest to rewrite the introduction section =E2=80=93 a P= HP RFC > should better be concerned with PHP only. :-) > > -- > Christoph M. Becker > > --001a1135b5d66d45a105418302e6--