Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:95933 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 95536 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2016 08:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Sep 2016 08:26:55 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.192.169 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.169 mail-pf0-f169.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.169] ([209.85.192.169:36001] helo=mail-pf0-f169.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 75/16-58405-FC666D75 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 04:26:55 -0400 Received: by mail-pf0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 128so50226612pfb.3 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 01:26:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=L0oXfxb6SMgpmN/9+mcUa4oMfto9OdxISv6ahKyqFXU=; b=lBnJHx9d2Uw1T8qpyBxcOUpy9QA+oEXE2KoBezpA1BnBkDBcGocSP3EzU2XC3LaLEz sgzELe5Me5uU+WYkBYsFiuTzlisfs5F4y+vBa8RGI3xjbikSkuccYYtWHoGp7oPuAer6 QV5iCy4sLynh39iKlxD215IiXnC8vlJB3uIfan8d/TkTYhf+2kRHP1yYUrSMMyyMIsc0 y2q7gL1yezEXE6TUxInSi3HoI3aYzRefetQANvhw03bzr/J7tf/ZqTnqVPevb5xLSnIQ pdSrUq2eIx6kHwgSYuhzfuPCEKVvbM7X4t+ebHBEBtpzSFNGoXg0b53qB0hqzqkkCu4y rG1g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=L0oXfxb6SMgpmN/9+mcUa4oMfto9OdxISv6ahKyqFXU=; b=QglZuAT4HRLx2+lo/dqhMLjObYaht7SPKQI4Y9nIKvgU9qJ5cKmgkRyssyRttB79Pd gw9tZTV+Yq3ElR41Vymp/nOeBFkoaYljyChP0pckEDHuxj04OMQaC0dmd4ITeJCyhT9V k9JEXi+k3l598nsW9cZU0357m1YEK8qy+CHdObMjdJsKcUjnXszi4ZO1PJeMm6D6eNS7 y4nS3XNGDMjk4oJ4apoOjMDPVccOCNq0DD2X1jz6xuofUYdGwdKRsOajbsK+iPs+aLuL nHVyPPwt75KdVtt74Z7KrvdiXRzs2nDs3ItEvIwyeOHa3wnq6TmJEXCv95ajEsgvumbQ CLUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwORKBZyDUP96xTdIDX0qsi5HlxJTuboPSKOOzJRCZJFwI9DkEhAF1pza/NwCnJIUg== X-Received: by 10.98.6.68 with SMTP id 65mr31016346pfg.116.1473668812631; Mon, 12 Sep 2016 01:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Stas-Air.local (108-233-206-104.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [108.233.206.104]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h188sm14912448pfg.75.2016.09.12.01.26.51 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Sep 2016 01:26:52 -0700 (PDT) To: Derick Rethans , Pierre Joye References: Cc: Mathieu Rochette , PHP internals Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2016 01:26:49 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > It's curious to see though that the off-topic comments get replies, but > few real concerns do from the RFC author - such as not removing > something before we have a confirmed alternative. I'd like to trial > pickle first for a few releases and only then see whether to remove the > PEAR/PECL installer. I also think this is the probably best way forward - first add the new tools and let them mature, and then mess with old tools in any way. We can verbally tell people that new tools are probably the new way forward and we want them to try them out and migrate - but I think it'd be better, at least in upcoming releases - e.g. 7.1/7.2 - to just add new tools and see how they fare. This is the least controversial part and IMHO also the most useful one :) -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com