Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:95818 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 87857 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2016 23:55:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Sep 2016 23:55:04 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.218.46 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.218.46 mail-oi0-f46.google.com Received: from [209.85.218.46] ([209.85.218.46:33690] helo=mail-oi0-f46.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 2C/E8-61313-65AF1D75 for ; Thu, 08 Sep 2016 19:55:03 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f46.google.com with SMTP id y2so102152638oie.0 for ; Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:55:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Cg/A4X7Fjn5JhIRRCQEO9N1EqRELXhm/aICm+nRqjoI=; b=sH+MQS4lE+PBEp5Qxly3uejH+W9kEDReN0uy2i4uf4y6AZHzhY7WbkhJD5eTXr9/YM k+trgoCFPSj69Z23Z+F/5Q8h6bXfKcy2mTay4jZwABSFhNg4DYHc3A4jYs0T0AzusVWf GFsKuTK0qAcOqaRZVS5aPrh0jjPE4d16JWylyf27f0vQCo/EEvQMl9T5U7BuO+L3orkf Fugx1Dl6aydaSh9CUqra9c2oCCXqp7Mn0XfXZl1SZ2Rftf35felSnJXq06uxO8ani6Ig Rqq9v5O7DAna8IT/OI4qVB1B+9JB0DT+J4yxLZf2gJrZ8Mp0V/GgU6hjbl0vxL2hb7Fm Yx8g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Cg/A4X7Fjn5JhIRRCQEO9N1EqRELXhm/aICm+nRqjoI=; b=VBiNIJWjRdWnzP6Y3eVoUy+zr74F90BanBiskMGLWaCEoRgs2ytEEXoUjwy29GknOP OUQTvhh4lInWp2BeqBw7TqKqGCpQ5iY98sOplaVPtVX31kHcftVy4+5MsZTq0ZV7XRWi rRv71+SfUuqKrI+l7Wr+TtPRbRtggNsyJieC7ACVyvD1agX1iExLZlaQysnFdoxkUcoP od1hMK3iOrseJ3wd6j2i2atuXlRN3h831zyK3pNI1bE4sKELfI69WadVE66mIyfcKjPO HIbK/ebB274UopJYgUQayWx5/7NSvuPkKXNbjHJ/jO1xPnsfywWxA+crHodb5oti7Xyc vrSg== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwNbrjW57x0ZRKI0QBDbR6RUOymcxNz7nZcqTQzhnEwjwuh/SriEEUnVsWdpQ4Bvaw== X-Received: by 10.157.29.198 with SMTP id w6mr890931otw.39.1473378899527; Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Stas-Air.local (108-233-206-104.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [108.233.206.104]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q189sm234851oia.9.2016.09.08.16.54.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Sep 2016 16:54:58 -0700 (PDT) To: Tony Marston , internals@lists.php.net References: <58.E0.36123.AF711D75@pb1.pair.com> Message-ID: <28a81d3e-cd0c-9524-a6f9-e1b6873e89e2@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 16:54:57 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58.E0.36123.AF711D75@pb1.pair.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > There should be a rule that nothing can be deprecated unless there is a > viable, stable, fully functioning and fully supported alternative. I do > not like the way that some people simply say "I do not like this. I do > not use this. Nobody should be using this. Let's deprecate it" You can have any rules you like, but if the original author is not interested in the tool anymore, the only options you have are: 1. Support it yourself 2. Pay/beg/bribe/persuade somebody to do it for you 3. Failing that, use it unsupported or switch to another tool That's not only how the open source works, that's how everything works - try to get support for out-of-support commercial software (or out-of-support hardware for that matter) and see if it's any easier. So yes, it is "typical" as you note - as typical as the life can be :) That said, if the tool is useful and being used, I completely agree that we should make effort in keeping it supported. But we should also account for the possibility of that effort not being successful. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com