Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:95777 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 78471 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2016 08:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Sep 2016 08:33:21 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mathieu@rochette.cc; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mathieu@rochette.cc; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain rochette.cc designates 62.210.206.189 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mathieu@rochette.cc X-Host-Fingerprint: 62.210.206.189 texthtml.net Received: from [62.210.206.189] ([62.210.206.189:36087] helo=texthtml.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 1A/93-36123-F4221D75 for ; Thu, 08 Sep 2016 04:33:20 -0400 Received: by texthtml.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id BE647244; Thu, 8 Sep 2016 08:33:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on a05d8528c5e6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from [192.168.1.130] (stunnel_mail_1.mail_default [172.29.0.4]) (Authenticated sender: mathieu@texthtml.net) by texthtml.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 38C86242; Thu, 8 Sep 2016 08:33:14 +0000 (UTC) To: Tony Marston , internals@lists.php.net References: <8E.31.36123.5BB11D75@pb1.pair.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 10:33:13 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:50.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/50.0a2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8E.31.36123.5BB11D75@pb1.pair.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0A59A8E6CCDDE24ECADD984C" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle From: mathieu@rochette.cc (Mathieu Rochette) --------------0A59A8E6CCDDE24ECADD984C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 08/09/2016 10:05, Tony Marston wrote: > "Pierre Joye" wrote in message > news:CAEZPtU4TwuaP1xJx+z_n+Sgj1UjPTYn8pJ5xuvMjei2dke0gJg@mail.gmail.com... >> >> hi Tony, >> >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Tony Marston >> wrote: >>> "Pierre Joye" wrote in message >>> news:CAEZPtU6aHYb9HsNXbXWp9q9PMoLYiJp=N1rjmspoFmHBEbDHxg@mail.gmail.com... >>> >>> >> >>>> Happy to see there are still users for this tool, Christian and I had >>>> good fun writing it. Also you should know that this package is dead, >>>> it has no acttve maintainer (I was the last one) and has some >>>> limitations from to begin with, also was very handy at time especially >>>> for shared hosting without shell access. >>>> >>> >>> Typical. You create a useful tool, get your users hooked, then walk >>> away and >>> leave them dangling. >> >> Ok. You seem to misunderstand the last part of my message. So let me >> be crystal clear here. Your attitude right now is poisonous, at best. >> Please change it. > > You may not like my attitude, but I am expressing myself without using > abusive terms. I am simply expressing my displeasure with this RFC > using civil, polite and non-abusive terminology. If you don't like my > expressions of disapproval then don't try to bully me into submission > as that simply will not work. > >> Now about this specific comment. >> > >> >> So please, before you go down your big horse to insult my work and the >> community, > > I did not insult your work as I have been using it for many years. > What I find frustrating is that problems sometimes arise with a new > PHP version, and nobody seems to be maintaining it. I have recently > upgraded of my PCs to PHP7 and I had no end of problems. I had to > debug and fix every error myself, but now I have the PEAR web > interface up and running. > >> do your homework and respect everyone here providing you >> the tools and language you use for your own projects. Also I strongly >> suggest you to consider your own view or vision as one along many, not >> the only viable absolute truth or usage. Thanks. > > Then I suggest that you learn to respect your users. There are huge > numbers of developers out there who use PEAR, and they find a web > interface more usable than the archaic command line. If you (and by > "you" I mean everyone who works on PHP internals) wish to deprecate > PEAR then you must first provide a viable alternative - with a web > interface - and wait until it has become stable and been accepted by > the community BEFORE you do so. Anything else would be less than > professional. nobody *must* provide a viable alternative. But providing an alternative is the subject of this rf. so maybe php is respecting its users. also remember that this "Request for Comments" is "Under Discussion". you're opinion on the rfc is valued, the tone you are using and what you are implying are a bit less welcomed regarding the rfc, even if it where to be accepted as-is, you could still use pear/pecl and its web interface. it just wouldn't be the recommended way to install package & extensions and it wouldn't be bundled with php 8. you'll have to install it manually if you are installing php from source, or as usual with your distribution package manager otherwise --------------0A59A8E6CCDDE24ECADD984C--