Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:95770 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 64290 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2016 08:05:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Sep 2016 08:05:11 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 90.255.2.72 unknown Received: from [90.255.2.72] ([90.255.2.72:18125] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 8E/31-36123-5BB11D75 for ; Thu, 08 Sep 2016 04:05:10 -0400 Message-ID: <8E.31.36123.5BB11D75@pb1.pair.com> To: internals@lists.php.net References:

In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 09:05:03 +0100 Lines: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3564.1216 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3564.1216 X-Posted-By: 90.255.2.72 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle From: TonyMarston@hotmail.com ("Tony Marston") "Pierre Joye" wrote in message news:CAEZPtU4TwuaP1xJx+z_n+Sgj1UjPTYn8pJ5xuvMjei2dke0gJg@mail.gmail.com... > >hi Tony, > >On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Tony Marston >wrote: >> "Pierre Joye" wrote in message >> news:CAEZPtU6aHYb9HsNXbXWp9q9PMoLYiJp=N1rjmspoFmHBEbDHxg@mail.gmail.com... >> > >>> Happy to see there are still users for this tool, Christian and I had >>> good fun writing it. Also you should know that this package is dead, >>> it has no acttve maintainer (I was the last one) and has some >>> limitations from to begin with, also was very handy at time especially >>> for shared hosting without shell access. >>> >> >> Typical. You create a useful tool, get your users hooked, then walk away >> and >> leave them dangling. > >Ok. You seem to misunderstand the last part of my message. So let me >be crystal clear here. Your attitude right now is poisonous, at best. >Please change it. You may not like my attitude, but I am expressing myself without using abusive terms. I am simply expressing my displeasure with this RFC using civil, polite and non-abusive terminology. If you don't like my expressions of disapproval then don't try to bully me into submission as that simply will not work. >Now about this specific comment. > > >So please, before you go down your big horse to insult my work and the >community, I did not insult your work as I have been using it for many years. What I find frustrating is that problems sometimes arise with a new PHP version, and nobody seems to be maintaining it. I have recently upgraded of my PCs to PHP7 and I had no end of problems. I had to debug and fix every error myself, but now I have the PEAR web interface up and running. > do your homework and respect everyone here providing you >the tools and language you use for your own projects. Also I strongly >suggest you to consider your own view or vision as one along many, not >the only viable absolute truth or usage. Thanks. Then I suggest that you learn to respect your users. There are huge numbers of developers out there who use PEAR, and they find a web interface more usable than the archaic command line. If you (and by "you" I mean everyone who works on PHP internals) wish to deprecate PEAR then you must first provide a viable alternative - with a web interface - and wait until it has become stable and been accepted by the community BEFORE you do so. Anything else would be less than professional. -- Tony Marston