Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:95693 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11156 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2016 10:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Sep 2016 10:18:35 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.113.146.227 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.113.146.227 xdebug.org Received: from [82.113.146.227] ([82.113.146.227:53854] helo=xdebug.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A4/E0-00209-4F79EC75 for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2016 06:18:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by xdebug.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2D4310C01C; Tue, 6 Sep 2016 11:18:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 11:18:25 +0100 (BST) X-X-Sender: derick@whisky.home.derickrethans.nl To: Sebastian Bergmann cc: internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Tue, 6 Sep 2016, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Am 05.09.2016 um 12:13 schrieb Derick Rethans: > > You can't really ship PHP without a way to install extensions though! > > Why not? > > IMHO, PHP should not be shipped with any tool for installing PHP > components (PEAR Installer, Composer, ...) or extensions (PECL Installer, > ...). > > In my experience, people either install PHP using the package manager > of their OS distribution, One of PHPs biggest strengths is the availability of an extension for nearly everything. There are *1000s* out there. Some made by single people, some by small groups of people, or some by large companies. You can't expect *all* of these extensions to be available through distribution's packages. > or they build PHP from the sources > themselves. In the latter case, they know how to build/install > extensions manually and do not need a tool for that. They'd still need to run the equivalent to "pecl" to install these manually build extensions. Or at least the "pecl download" variant. cheers, Derick -- https://derickrethans.nl | https://xdebug.org | https://dram.io Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: https://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug