Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:95656 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 90903 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2016 16:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Sep 2016 16:35:59 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.47 mail-wm0-f47.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.47] ([74.125.82.47:37570] helo=mail-wm0-f47.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 22/63-45301-CEE9DC75 for ; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 12:35:58 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f47.google.com with SMTP id w12so50393727wmf.0 for ; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 09:35:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dr8vCBH6Ogg85PLKmg4c1jFk5+0CihfcONSBrxZWyJU=; b=GuK+Hd3lHJ22cKIEtzyfRUW7YugUPWHjqpT83SSDy6IhwKLEbD0rbFl7LqgPZoYwaV V/iOpPeVn39jNsFTb8fDrBmU2+1A6cFN8Auptid676cJlccB55D9UOSeLgindY8wNhTo AF/V+3k5ehhlE/muZ4yIiU2BrPB0zgwK+DXpA3xnRATA3Cs9z++XVGTfdVrumrm9YGhT 2xHuKBv6fsJoz3h42jZuaXwV3XSr66pxLcdtRd/OIAoEhe6DrgZjJl/lCcd2cgzJtn6p 6csKauDMuUr5tWEU5+/MhwtlSYQvLyij7rMZNo8dHOTrNIGWIrIbcgwd14KzXtENBVUp ZKGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dr8vCBH6Ogg85PLKmg4c1jFk5+0CihfcONSBrxZWyJU=; b=KiVviG+2ALrHIUJzhPC8r80SDG/HKAZp/eV++EMVWEh2Ihh4f/zEmC3fTeAJt98K+4 vmwKgmVClqnpxTC0oICqoQ3//97CFL2NwEj7B2sDAIK11dvSGvEaKTTG81WM97qGqIKl xjT3U9VD3iAPL9ZDE2lcif2j2/2N3um9I/D6HPad2DteLuUHbJlavEjDLQjmdDgW1RY9 okgq+Jx9WLea2f28QMumJm7Z18Cmtr4aueI0jiXM6Ehq1mCplRXPt9alhJ6jydlEmBne R+8pGPEwO4fBMArK6Xq8Tktl/HS8AJlhFijk5nbAkFLEcRTz90vITGB6aj4ID0YRtcu2 z0jw== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwOyKZo7whVw6Zsq+YrqvJabmUDMefY3y67vDg4W2fwUpFgG0eb3jqs4u2rrqhgHhg== X-Received: by 10.28.71.205 with SMTP id m74mr10110171wmi.47.1473093353498; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 09:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([95.148.161.240]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 3sm21755654wms.1.2016.09.05.09.35.52 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 05 Sep 2016 09:35:52 -0700 (PDT) To: internals@lists.php.net References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 17:35:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) On 05/09/2016 11:12, Michał Brzuchalski wrote: > I think the idea involved from other languages package managers like nodejs I think you have your history in a twist there: node.js was first released in 2009, by which time PEAR was already ten years old, and heading towards decline. The more likely inspiration is CPAN, Perl's package archive, whose command-line interface ships as a core module. More relevantly, the point in such bundling is to give users an official way of "bootstrapping" their environment, without having to go online and figure out what to do next. Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]