Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:95637 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 97850 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2016 09:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Sep 2016 09:51:15 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=danack@basereality.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=danack@basereality.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain basereality.com from 209.85.213.45 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: danack@basereality.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.45 mail-vk0-f45.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.45] ([209.85.213.45:35980] helo=mail-vk0-f45.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4B/BB-45301-1104DC75 for ; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 05:51:14 -0400 Received: by mail-vk0-f45.google.com with SMTP id w124so72946383vkd.3 for ; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 02:51:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=basereality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=M+zs0wiVFrcSPShftdWqadFsdAY0Pxt8M2LPoa9wg8E=; b=06mtwy1wIs2vlNWLHuFLH4RTkvqNcvgKudnfEu7vjbTzlJKjaXIhjFrPuDlL9R4AnS arBu5A00Qb02NMzaG4ux7RDpAvSv5t1mLrKzIsF7gZUvD5vWCGx2k3YnqyGmUEpRziOi XCi/paRxh3u24K4k105+EYMjbY2klU1TyHlyrFkTWRSlAwyeMi/tmTmp7HritLDZFzW3 OxegFNAuBPR2zm0IC9yZaRP7V9NjYDgGDIh8tmfpqY5gr3ywXRpVSmgAONlJZUzc3cye YF0gwPy6uD0ehwc6doUxPXcIFMwhQvSaLeuNcKv8FXM3W+rMcfH2/IBCYIPFvOG0E2Sd z+rw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=M+zs0wiVFrcSPShftdWqadFsdAY0Pxt8M2LPoa9wg8E=; b=RT4lyTnunKpJsD1AMBE26yOLAHx8edVn8JDjsqwTGQa81dwTYESDRjhJFBVMyj0qXW y3k9jIaXuFVU5R/fwgtq2/NVIQBr4RVrVrxzEQ/b9C55ZRapCD0SGuSEvQMv8TImZOMB tjHUWAktA+c5+87sEmqE/7g9xamPwLCy4zVU33g3yIMrylwh8bJzMGoqWczFXyJ3YRRW a4o1c5/lRTaOiQ6yUsZHD1PEWPUBsrWoVTQpukvGtBk8IdecTTwcE2d6ouiFvHhQQerB sHHGSB4xLPoVjW90yfDYHpZ0gn6pPeT1vGs8DMWuibdDA1Pr/7COjc9p6F/JvdIYJaL9 o37A== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwOdD/iYTjh7uDNya9rVT0PlZSH7ODB5Cjl6c7yMAM0HFe0FieVySNSFdIBtuQA54BFuuwCfvHeBBcgK2w== X-Received: by 10.31.192.2 with SMTP id q2mr18472996vkf.44.1473069070372; Mon, 05 Sep 2016 02:51:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.69.4 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Sep 2016 02:51:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [81.48.95.168] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2016 10:51:09 +0100 Message-ID: To: Davey Shafik Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle From: danack@basereality.com (Dan Ackroyd) On 2 September 2016 at 20:32, Davey Shafik wrote: > I'd like to introduce a new RFC to deprecate pear/pecl (in 7.2, and remove > in 8.0), as well as add composer/pickle (optional in 7.2, default in 7.3+) > in their place. Even if Pear and Pecl overlap and share code, it would be better to focus on the end-user capabilities and have separate RFCs for altering those capabilities, rather than just trying to do everything in one RFC. i.e. have: One RFC to deprecate then remove the ability to install Pear userland code modules. A second RFC to deprecate Pecl and optionally start using Pickle. Can you clarify one thing though - am I correct in that Pickle is completely userland code? So why does it need to be 'shipped' with PHP. Why can't it be a separate download? cheers Dan > pickle would still have the same problem ( > https://github.com/FriendsOfPHP/pickle/issues/133) Needs moar macros: https://travis-ci.org/mkoppanen/imagick/builds/150948947