Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:95612 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 25247 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2016 08:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Sep 2016 08:48:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 217.147.176.214 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.147.176.214 mail4-2.serversure.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [217.147.176.214] ([217.147.176.214:54916] helo=mail4.serversure.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 8D/B7-32927-4EFDBC75 for ; Sun, 04 Sep 2016 04:48:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 29961 invoked by uid 89); 4 Sep 2016 08:48:33 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 29955, pid: 29958, t: 0.0836s scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.96/m:52/d:10677 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.7?) (lester@rainbowdigitalmedia.org.uk@81.138.11.136) by mail4.serversure.net with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2016 08:48:33 -0000 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <2e2e7a2d-4459-c59f-6552-b01314a06b2f@lsces.co.uk> <82d74255-4118-46f4-c073-35e3b224fef8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ce3511e-5dcf-522a-6cce-edda9ecd7531@lsces.co.uk> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2016 09:48:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) On 03/09/16 22:53, Rowan Collins wrote: > I guess we could have a philosophical debate about what it means for > something to be "the standard" rather than "a standard", and whether > PEAR was "more official" than PHP-FIG, and just who gets to decide what > PHP is. > > But once again, I find myself being drawn into an off-topic debate about > coding styles, and I would like to apologise to Davey as it has nothing > to do with his RFC. I think that what is missing is a discussion on just where one should start these days in terms of a basic framework for beginners. That there are so many competing "standards" that in many cases do not play well together is MY problem. That my key libraries ARE moving to a different style and have different ways of loading is a pull one way, and my web side interface has other loaders handling javascript and css packages which adds to the complexity. But perhaps we don't bother about the novice PHP user and just assume they are all simply using third party frameworks already so all that needs to be looked at is improving the library/framework developer experience. It would be nice to get back to some BASIC functionality such as loading a form, validating it's content, and string the results without having a dozen ways of filtering the inputs and a dozen ways of accessing the database. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk