Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:95609 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 51343 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2016 00:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Sep 2016 00:54:12 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=me@daveyshafik.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=me@daveyshafik.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain daveyshafik.com from 209.85.220.180 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: me@daveyshafik.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.180 mail-qk0-f180.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.180] ([209.85.220.180:33758] helo=mail-qk0-f180.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 01/F5-32927-CA07BC75 for ; Sat, 03 Sep 2016 20:54:10 -0400 Received: by mail-qk0-f180.google.com with SMTP id z190so161495723qkc.0 for ; Sat, 03 Sep 2016 17:54:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=daveyshafik-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=5xsvnVq62cjXeMm5g1CMkE+050k6wAyFYpg/gWjmmc0=; b=G3tkRFG0Z6t6dzkZ5Bubrz1G0/6SAXJiNaDcQj6fg0peOQtZTeWD90CX1wvr+bWUuZ xUybO9LLmCRYWbS+AyGRNhPgm7JJhqqp/jJT5pcLNZs96XrgHn6/jNSLgJjuHNMnJDMn APYd9zVxrxZHB6VqqCbxLqRSA+P0O4ySDjAv9j7cQgBkYFamkW073dbRHcM2ED+walfW /cAQMSOmIpLbb/raMTMQfNnSTelcSsmXQStB0jyui7WclnrsAfYGf0jaLxaX36CHrpio NhpfGDHzLPGVAyx7+vowvAwUfBCqhm4xekRp5eds9vGIoooKWXI+2/FmFeqPvTBTkIEY AYuw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5xsvnVq62cjXeMm5g1CMkE+050k6wAyFYpg/gWjmmc0=; b=lS0NGeYW4Lt5X5ELrSk4wuDpRz7uFKglscTKcFCvt6vTDiALPIc9LPVtPhigwOW9nq TM2ihXQ/5AnYGVd2o2eUVC3f7PtaQ3kZfLdprNHNJD0AfDjGUb58XpCsaTh8z5XZ6SvF 9ZJ7P6nPlIC3amVaR3c8gANsjcir0oJteuV95HUyxDEbRifdwktGFZ4DrM+dpG+tyQAh qCpcBUyt/lQ6nD/XbHqu319SRqYAM4p9/0U+o1W9JcT1BAb4/UCSc3/sdmpN7wgDlkG/ df3nxlRShzm7WCSrCotFnCbxjyWKdsef2fujZL/MmvKx0EOeij2Oj6tAeNhyKMq1othJ PRQA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwPZfuEtvrOHMOsHBwL1DwLngQ2MZdpd/2EE1Gk+RRCXGvkOCfRau48vw8OEcDD9GqFYEssibaex1cieZofq X-Received: by 10.55.107.193 with SMTP id g184mr33113558qkc.145.1472950442056; Sat, 03 Sep 2016 17:54:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: me@daveyshafik.com Received: by 10.237.55.138 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Sep 2016 17:54:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2e2e7a2d-4459-c59f-6552-b01314a06b2f@lsces.co.uk> <82d74255-4118-46f4-c073-35e3b224fef8@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 17:54:01 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: H1ilfQwZLy7GuV6khuFKdX476AQ Message-ID: To: Rowan Collins Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114fe61adef500053ba3ff23 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle From: davey@php.net (Davey Shafik) --001a114fe61adef500053ba3ff23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Rowan Collins wrote: > On 03/09/2016 19:44, Lester Caine wrote: > >> So this RFC is simply proposing that PHP-FIG becomes the standard for >> writing PHP code? >> > > No, that is not at all what this RFC is proposing. The RFC is simply > proposing to stop bundling the command-line tool "pear" with default PHP > builds. > > The PEAR coding standards will still exist, the packages created accordin= g > to them will still be usable, and you'll still be able to download pear, = or > pyrus, to access them. You could also use composer to access most of them= , > and publish packages adhering to that style on packagist.org, or pretty > much any platform you want. > > The only reason I mentioned PHP-FIG is because they are trying to write a > modern standard for writing interoperable PHP libraries, which is what yo= u > asked for. > > I guess we could have a philosophical debate about what it means for > something to be "the standard" rather than "a standard", and whether PEAR > was "more official" than PHP-FIG, and just who gets to decide what PHP is= . > > But once again, I find myself being drawn into an off-topic debate about > coding styles, and I would like to apologise to Davey as it has nothing t= o > do with his RFC. No need to apologize, thank you for defending my idea and so eloquently =E2= =80=94 I will amend the RFC with your earlier suggestions; being as I will do so almost verbatim, would you mind being added as a co-author? I think it's a substantial contribution :) - Davey --001a114fe61adef500053ba3ff23--