Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:95587 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 34777 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2016 19:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Sep 2016 19:36:09 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=me@daveyshafik.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=me@daveyshafik.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain daveyshafik.com from 209.85.220.169 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: me@daveyshafik.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.169 mail-qk0-f169.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.169] ([209.85.220.169:35441] helo=mail-qk0-f169.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F0/31-19490-7A4D9C75 for ; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 15:36:08 -0400 Received: by mail-qk0-f169.google.com with SMTP id v123so130345782qkh.2 for ; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 12:36:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=daveyshafik-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=QsgL1SD3VTZMJNzc4ix2fchC0pltKK5K/jaN1tOQzrE=; b=OJBqQRMhMuZTKfHoAdBzrrIeS+NX0Rg1h80QseH2qsDRH3u9/Gd2zsgqgawMt+jYhp mQxDp4cUkuuY0tFKnHOum67lk8APD+oeIklRy9Akg5c3BIiqqlhvllSGaNxSrVnMpwz7 le7thaRjf4fLzqhdIOdoB0yH15fS+nLFrPcP/Y35XT5Zhl5o1ifDjB2K/VuPbLmhtYWL AuNE111vsDemWYx1aPcE4MCf+tgOLV/oN+aAnzdMHNnew60EiUFsqC3+RtvDgpc/TGGb io4Q2LkZTgoKPeatwMKmzcrTQ1jK2j6B7WpYfxKKitn2VXO8VpG1y3IgYGNK1ojHm+04 G6Rg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=QsgL1SD3VTZMJNzc4ix2fchC0pltKK5K/jaN1tOQzrE=; b=e5KfeREL/WSEDpxzzBfi7gA/bNAVeDQ8OawF1I1ZJe1k5MDiLMwRZvVTVO/0e3IndB QdC37oSEXwH11xZIfO1v3pRX0B7kznX/RZ4oSsh6KMbkLh6NMWwx3Vmuc7ExjlCLnmyr 61f27klT/x6GP0LAwzvpyu6RtaKyaBNKurSk2nRUyqTSSUoslHwcaoPnURZkUrE1p+Ve y5zvOmkDHeMEvQuufr4yKviQrnMBb8TuDm1ZGwdiqlkSd0zYmA0lEb9J49lsmP9BgI11 Ip+bNLk1cwsj4piCr9faxU6IEL7O+SnmTVyABok8VlzZjzox/Pt+SifOkXbmIOAXU0T7 XkRA== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMCM0Ha28Yol9Z4CRhpW82U/lWdwTQnvBFoWx09X2odS1z+aCfCCrew6aWpD+dV9/5N/5r1HF6CS+nam/dk X-Received: by 10.55.214.68 with SMTP id t65mr3177317qki.216.1472844965122; Fri, 02 Sep 2016 12:36:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: me@daveyshafik.com Received: by 10.237.55.138 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Sep 2016 12:36:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2016 12:36:04 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: twNGWob41nJvGAekDz47T9W8B-Q Message-ID: To: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1149a728f4a246053b8b70b7 Subject: Re: [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle From: davey@php.net (Davey Shafik) --001a1149a728f4a246053b8b70b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also, just wanted to say: As a former fairly major contributor to PEAR (see: http://pear.php.net/user/davey) I understand that PEAR has a special place in the heart of many old-school PHP developers =E2=80=94 but I believe that= the community has spoken, through lack of action on PEARs part, and the rapid adoption of composer on the general communities part. We should probably also have some conversations about actually sunsetting the PEAR and PECL sites and deprovisioning those resources. But that's a whole other conversation ;) - Davey On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Davey Shafik wrote: > Hi internals, > > I'd like to introduce a new RFC to deprecate pear/pecl (in 7.2, and remov= e > in 8.0), as well as add composer/pickle (optional in 7.2, default in 7.3+= ) > in their place. > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecate-pear-include-composer > > I highly recommend reading the twitter poll and accompanying thread at > https://twitter.com/dshafik/status/756337267547832320 > > I believe that pickle solves the issues with regards to pecl, and have ru= n > the idea passed Jordi and Pierre. Both are fine with this RFC. :) > > I understand that adding in composer/pickle is just setting us up for > having a future "Deprecate composer/pickle & Replace with foo/bar" RFC, s= o > I've proposed the voting reflect that some people will just want to > deprecate/remove pear/pecl and not replace them at all. > > I'm also proposing voting choices around the optional/default introductio= n > of composer/pickle. > > - Davey > --001a1149a728f4a246053b8b70b7--