Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:95521 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 76409 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2016 18:50:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Aug 2016 18:50:49 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=yohgaki@ohgaki.net; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=yohgaki@ohgaki.net; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain ohgaki.net designates 180.42.98.130 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: yohgaki@ohgaki.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 180.42.98.130 ns1.es-i.jp Received: from [180.42.98.130] ([180.42.98.130:39598] helo=es-i.jp) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 96/50-58079-40727C75 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:50:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 8335 invoked by uid 89); 31 Aug 2016 18:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qk0-f169.google.com) (yohgaki@ohgaki.net@209.85.220.169) by 0 with ESMTPA; 31 Aug 2016 18:50:41 -0000 Received: by mail-qk0-f169.google.com with SMTP id z190so61268072qkc.0 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 11:50:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwOe7nazbW1UX6ARIiqaFtVg8OAO6wyl6Hhpq82R5m/gTMAO/p966h3s534rqu08B4vyTrLI8OUsAOgtPg== X-Received: by 10.55.184.198 with SMTP id i189mr12263834qkf.96.1472669433279; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 11:50:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.85.242 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Aug 2016 11:49:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 03:49:52 +0900 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Arvids Godjuks Cc: Mathias Grimm , Kalle Sommer Nielsen , "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Suggestion From: yohgaki@ohgaki.net (Yasuo Ohgaki) On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Arvids Godjuks wrote: > As was said, this was debated a lot. Both sides had valid arguments, but > this should not be taken lightly just because there is no "BC break". There > is such thing as too much syntactic sugar, and PHP is one of those, rare > these days, languages that keep options of doing the same thing low. I remember an argument that "function" is useful to "grep functions". This is true, but we have tokenizer and tokenizer does better job. e.g. It excludes functions inside comments. It may be time to consider simplifying things. Regards, -- Yasuo Ohgaki yohgaki@ohgaki.net