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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:42:35 +0200
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To: Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] orphan extensions cleanup
From: kalle@php.net (Kalle Sommer Nielsen)

2016-08-18 9:46 GMT+02:00 Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk>:
> Well Github figures are a problem where Hg is more popular amongst
> Firebird users and financial services secure systems tend not to publish
> their use of code at all. Firebird is used as a free alternative to
> Oracle in many large services and at one time Interbase ran much of the
> US emergency services - until Borland decided to end of life it in 1999.
> For some reason they did not know just how important Interbase was to
> many people :(
>
> <snip>
>
> The problem with bringing PHP5.2/3 users forward is that nobody can be
> bothered to help them. I simply don't have enough time to move the
> clients I HAVE got over and I've now stopped taking any more of that
> business on simply because there are not enough hours in the day. NOW it
> looks like I have to find time to keep the C side of things working as
> well ... something that is a lot easier for someone who knows WHY they
> are changing the way something works inside PHP as happened with PHP7.
> Firebird did not change so the client library is still the same!
>
> Even moving the sites that I HAVE already pulled up to PHP5.6 over to
> PHP7 requires additional work and testing so I resent your suggestion
> that I'm taking too long doing all this work. Perhaps it is time to give
> up even trying to help PHP!

Honestly Lester, I do enjoy a good morning read but I'm getting a
little tired of this; this have no relevance to the extensions
maintainers. I already understood in your first mail (and all other
mails sent to internals@) that interbase/firebird is important to you,
I get that. But the problem at hand is rather different, this is how
we, we as in the Core Developers of PHP, handle extensions that we
give the proper support and maintenance as Rowan pointed out, our
current promise is pretty much a lie since we cannot give extensions
in the core, the support they may need.

It is not like (as also pointed out), that the code will go away and
vanish, it will still be in PECL, and with a PECL release DLLs will
still be compiled for download if you like me, use Windows.

But I kinda expect this to be the end of the off-topic, I'm so tired
that we always end up on a diverted path and would much rather want to
see some more interest in our core extensions.

-- 
regards,

Kalle Sommer Nielsen
kalle@php.net