Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:95235 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 87017 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2016 15:26:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Aug 2016 15:26:16 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.47 mail-wm0-f47.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.47] ([74.125.82.47:34954] helo=mail-wm0-f47.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6A/F6-36656-79033B75 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 11:26:16 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f47.google.com with SMTP id f65so148705393wmi.0 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:26:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g/RO2MkM5yY+44yet66UpLme2E1Dpedzz98Vl9M6aJo=; b=Eclp5hgANhcM1FRmTQ49HXTwMCojAxDOLFGvwXzmfGNIP7f4rglYC6tMmXFqX4WCpR yM7wVzfRW7uN/x8D90RhbDWC0SCDX00HtSn06sHx4m6791OjiBSbdM4yvN3d/T/AkxEx p0BlYnoZwGAPvYZL8EG66DcfeMXgmUiYtaiqENlrABvtTwNg5BYeof0SlUcBkQ5d/jzv MM/MOzBIGOze34dW58YqghQItactYItAbVSMU+AfoLJbIZ8yAcX+THXpP0wmvTYNGGHp 7LsWHAIJxd8VO0gLgNh9JhPEBj+o5Y7GI17WQMBDcclxAz2J5Brb0Q3c96s//MpA7fXd ZSog== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g/RO2MkM5yY+44yet66UpLme2E1Dpedzz98Vl9M6aJo=; b=RtAhmGM6pHA/d0LrqnNbUirfZj+trOTGNm1x9sRSAT8x00jAcf6S3HwdB02yVFTFMm BaKQwrEahCwBHCM+0F1ZAjE3r9rsMgeDhr9yvOXrAgvZuMFFEpzRq+zPKZ+pQBBxmlKD huKDpV0QZ5QZKYEi0vUQolVCq0JNnZGPjnsDGgQ6JsBtBqvfT5hB9H8h1VaSrLcAqWuy kaiE2ipey8nz5/DCRq2s9ZUDOjGeoyn0wvVJ+tWA1X1HXLWH69ylxDCpZCnNd2aEo1FC 4stuVHkoiO7hjiGg4y9p9M04ZRCxyxdFta8JS4TQ95zn4JSlKYOwBgYIIIm2ET5fLVHw op1g== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouukfP0Wbh4cE1cJdzWDS+k/qxoCL24rZ3z0uSHu6HMExt2Pu3U4hrzkvohAfZalcw== X-Received: by 10.194.75.225 with SMTP id f1mr4403240wjw.104.1471361171909; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.98] ([93.188.182.58]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e5sm3951952wma.13.2016.08.16.08.26.11 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:26:11 -0700 (PDT) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <53c8bb5d-3d60-6019-d089-93d0285bb8ff@lsces.co.uk> <982dfdae-5c44-5ffc-c3c6-66e361839a67@lsces.co.uk> <7ee557d1-1d8e-749f-2310-8a8e946e5270@lsces.co.uk> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:24:17 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7ee557d1-1d8e-749f-2310-8a8e946e5270@lsces.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] orphan extensions cleanup From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) Hi Lester, On 16/08/2016 16:16, Lester Caine wrote: > I have no > problems with the test side and we have a stable test suite for testing > against outside of PHP but many of the 'changes' in the code base ARE > generic changes to some core process and trying to mirror them into an > unmaintained extension is the problem here. Only people who understand > WHY they are making a change which affects every extension really know > how to do that. That does make sense: a maintainer needs a combination of knowledge of the PHP/Zend internals, and the third-party library / API the extension is targetting. That's a tough combination to find.